Update regarding PvP

[Younie]

Noone is forced to PvP , if you don't like it just take a break

I decay 20% of my rank points every wednesday, and until I decide that I no longer want r14...Yes...I am forced to PvP lol. Those points took 3 months to obtain.

And now I have to do it alongside randoms that AFK and queue up in greens turning the entire PvP process into a random dice roll.

Three months of empty bgs. You should consider yourself lucky to even have your current rank without having pvp untill this week. Lol.

[Rhoen]

If BGs have to belong to either the people who want to play them and have fun, or belong to the 200 people who are ranking, I think the choice is obvious.

The top ranks should belong to the strongest. The ones with the most drive to go there and succeed. The ones that have the desire to farm the consumables and gadgets required to win.

Not the ones lucky enough to join the most winning games in AB.

I'm not defending the win-trade AFKfest but this isn't blizzlike and it's not compatible with vanilla ranking systems.

Keep the multiqueue disabled, but remove your "Improved matching" for premade vs premade. This is absolutely ridiculous.

Look at this screenshot!: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/3ko ... .57.02.png

I **WANT** to fight this. I really really really really do. But I can't even get a group large enough to even stall that with this queue system.

agreed, im trying my best- yesterday I put in 12-14 hours was like a fever dream...but its a TEAM game and even if you yourself are a good player. You only serve one role. Even if you do everything right if the puggers arent doing their role. You lose. No control yourself, complete spin of the board roll of the dice to see if you get ok honor. Premading is nowhere near worth it because itll take 45 mins to get a que- which means even if you get a 5 minute win against another prem you still arent making as much honor as pug games per hour, do you people not understand how bad that is?

[Rhoen]

Noone is forced to PvP , if you don't like it just take a break

I decay 20% of my rank points every wednesday, and until I decide that I no longer want r14...Yes...I am forced to PvP lol. Those points took 3 months to obtain.

And now I have to do it alongside randoms that AFK and queue up in greens turning the entire PvP process into a random dice roll.

Three months of empty bgs. You should consider yourself lucky to even have your current rank without having pvp untill this week. Lol.

Healthycow played against us almost everyday in full prems and the group I was in tried their damned hardest for half the fucking day against other prems- the ONLY reason any of us did empty games is because we had to, to compete against chinese players. This is a numbers game and everyone that has put in a mindshattering amount of effort is being fucked over because some people cried on the forums. Make it blizzlike.

[Healthycoww]

Three months of empty bgs. You should consider yourself lucky to even have your current rank without having pvp untill this week. Lol.

The empty BG thing existed for 3 weeks. And like I said before I feel I've been robbed of 3 weeks of competitive PvP against my rivals on the alliance side. I barely even saw their teams during that time.

Win or lose, I want to play against people that are challenging and competitive.

HOWEVER: We need to be afforded the time to actually play those games. If we have to wait 60+ minutes to get into a 30+ minute game because it's trying to match us against another premade and none are in the queue (Due to mutually insane wait-times) we **Cannot** premade. Plain and simple...

It's annoying that you guys would do this. It's not like we can just stop and start again when you drop game breaking changes on us like this. Every time you try and "Fix" the inherently flawed vanilla honor system you're giving a giant slap to the face of everyone trying to rank within it.

[Simonich]

Idk what youre saying, but this change is absolutely lovely.

Yep totally lovely. Now I'm forced to play with people that AFK at farm, Chinese players that don't speak a word of english, people that fight on the roads. People that don't go for EFC in WSG.

I wouldn't mind it but the average player is straight up retarded.

I don't care about having to fight, just the average PuG player just...doesn't do anything lol
And I can't bring a full team into any BG I play in, or play with any of my friends without having insanely long queue times.

Just absolutely lovely for ranking up to 14.

Solo queue is just about luck. Even if you play NONSTOP if you randomly join losing games all day you're going to get outearned by someone that joined better games. This is ridiculous for ranking.

Solo unorganized PvP is boring. You join a warsong...people just farm kills in mid all game. If you join an AB you get to witness the AFKfest at Blacksmith or Farm.

I don't want to play with people in full greens. I don't want to play with mages that don't know how to peel or polymorph. I don't want to play with people that "Don't care about objectives" and are "Just here for fun."
I don't want to play with warriors that all attack different targets. I don't want to play with AB teams that have 7 rogues. People like this are kill fodder and they deserve to be camped in the graveyard by a team with a much better grasp on the flow of the game then they have.

It's like telling people that they can ONLY raid with randoms because we have to give the bosses a chance because they whined on the forums.

The vanilla honor system is NOT designed for premade vs premade queue. If you're going to implement a system like that you might as well design your own ranking system because what we have now certainly isn't vanilla WoW. Premades are the biggest part of PvP and at the moment they're completely dead unless you try and time up your solo queue with 15 of your friends.

I won most games. Joined some teams that were willing to win. Also joined some guys who refused to communicate. Overall still much better than it depending on who dodges more and who wins more empty games faster and who has more time. Now THAT is ridiculous.


And remember. You join randoms but you are also against randoms.

[Healthycoww]

And remember. You join randoms but you are also against randoms.

I don't want to play with randoms. I want to play with my friends.

Games should not start empty. That was a flaw created by the Nostalrius Dev team.
I want the queue system to return to the way it was when the server originally launched.

With the release of BWL your guild can create a very strong well-geared lineup without setting foot in a BG. If you can't handle the group of rankers. Put together your own team. Find some friends. Win some games.

Don't disable team playing in a team game. That is simply ridiculous.

[Simonich]

And remember. You join randoms but you are also against randoms.

I don't want to play with randoms. I want to play with my friends.

Games should not start empty. That was a flaw created by the Nostalrius Dev team.
I want the queue system to return to the way it was when the server originally launched.

With the release of BWL your guild can create a very strong well-geared lineup without setting foot in a BG. If you can't handle the group of rankers. Put together your own team. Find some friends. Win some games.

Don't disable team playing in a team game. That is simply ridiculous.

Well, you're gonna have to wait till an enemy premade appears.

I like making my own premades, but I also like taking lead in random bgs.

But oh well

[Hates]

Idk what youre saying, but this change is absolutely lovely.

Yep totally lovely. Now I'm forced to play with people that AFK at farm, Chinese players that don't speak a word of english, people that fight on the roads. People that don't go for EFC in WSG.

I wouldn't mind it but the average player is straight up retarded.

I don't care about having to fight, just the average PuG player just...doesn't do anything lol
And I can't bring a full team into any BG I play in, or play with any of my friends without having insanely long queue times.

Just absolutely lovely for ranking up to 14.

Solo queue is just about luck. Even if you play NONSTOP if you randomly join losing games all day you're going to get outearned by someone that joined better games. This is ridiculous for ranking.

Solo unorganized PvP is boring. You join a warsong...people just farm kills in mid all game. If you join an AB you get to witness the AFKfest at Blacksmith or Farm.

I don't want to play with people in full greens. I don't want to play with mages that don't know how to peel or polymorph. I don't want to play with people that "Don't care about objectives" and are "Just here for fun."
I don't want to play with warriors that all attack different targets. I don't want to play with AB teams that have 7 rogues. People like this are kill fodder and they deserve to be camped in the graveyard by a team with a much better grasp on the flow of the game then they have.

It's like telling people that they can ONLY raid with randoms because we have to give the bosses a chance because they whined on the forums.

The vanilla honor system is NOT designed for premade vs premade queue. If you're going to implement a system like that you might as well design your own ranking system because what we have now certainly isn't vanilla WoW. Premades are the biggest part of PvP and at the moment they're completely dead unless you try and time up your solo queue with 15 of your friends.

I won most games. Joined some teams that were willing to win. Also joined some guys who refused to communicate. Overall still much better than it depending on who dodges more and who wins more empty games faster and who has more time. Now THAT is ridiculous.


And remember. You join randoms but you are also against randoms.

First off, the queue dodge was an issue created by changes that had no foresight into them, just a heavy hand to try to address an issue, which backfired. Much like this one has for all rank 11+ looking to push rank. These people are mostly pvp speced and if wanting to raid have to respec, unlike alot of pugers who come in with a pve spec looking to pewpew or just wonder around aimless in the BG.

But I am sure these are comforting words for all R11+'s that are trying to push to ranks...

Trying to out PUG others and finish in the top 50 on the server while forced into random queues, yet another short sighted fix....

[Rhoen]

another person putting it perfectly, thank you Hates.

[merfy]

The system is complete garbage just like the last change. I understand the disabling of multi queues and could careless about that. But why do I have to be forced to play with rank 3s who afk or just run around like zombies and get 2 shot?