Message to the private servers community

[varth]

Edited

[AverageJoe]

Excellent news. Glad to hear Nost is looking to broaden their horizons.

I don't see a split taking place because no realm transfers are being offered. At first that seems terrible, but it's good for the long run. Sure some people will leave and reroll, but it'll only be a small fraction. Those who are dedicated to PvP, the PvP realm in general, and those who have invested a lot of time and effort, like their guild, and enjoy those they play with will stick with the current realm which is still a great number of players.

The new PvE realm will be mostly players who never leveled really high for whatever reason (Not enough time to play, ganking, dislike for PvP, etc.), players who only recently joined and haven't sunk a lot of time into the current realm, players who missed the opening of Nostalrius and wish to experience it, and just flat out brand new players entirely who never played here. This will really help with the hardware problem as well where the server delay gets particularly bad around 6K concurrent players. This should ease some of the load and make everyone's game play experience a lot more enjoyable.

I won't mind rerolling because I've had more fun in the past few months playing on Nostalrius than I did in the recent years playing retail WoW. Leveling up, interacting with other players in a lively world, and running instances was very enjoyable and I look forward to doing it some more. In a way, not having a PvE server was holding Nostalrius back. If all goes well and enough people show interest, the population could continue to grow for both realms like it did in the months following the first opening.

[spl4sh]

I think it's mostly the non lvl 60 retards that will go to the PvE server. You have to be some kind of dumbass to struggle leveling on nost, if I can level one of the slowest leveling and easiest to gank class (troll priest) in 6 days then anyone with a brain could do similar.

Horde will be fine because most are used to the grit and challenge of leveling in a pvp environment and don't expect to have their hand held. Its the pussy ass alliance guilds that need to worry since they have the vast majority of the carebears in their faction.

How the FUCK is leveling in a pvp environment challenging? 90%+ of world pvp encounters outside of max level zones heavily favor one side which leads to a shit experience for one party and a meh experience for the other which is just bad game design. I love pvp but world pvp is just awful. Constructed pvp has always been the best approach, hence why pvp peaked in TBC with arenas. Even battleground pvp is quit shit in vanilla due to itemization and lack of balance. When players are on an equal or slightly +/- footing is where actual challenge and skill comes from; not fucking ganking in WoW 4head. If you want challenging and skill-based pvp play a MOBA not WoW.

[Zaft]

if I can level one of the slowest leveling and easiest to gank class (troll priest) in 6 days then anyone with a brain could do similar.

That statement says everything about you. Priest is FAR from the slowest leveling class, and it's also far from the easiest class to gank as priests have shield, extra armor, offensive and defensive dispel, heals, dot, instant aoe fear, self heal through VE (talent), silence (talent) and very good wand damage (you can actually solo casters by just healing and dot + wanding them down). I leveled a priest myself, and it was one of the easiest and most efficient leveling classes (besides hunter and warlock) I've experienced. You clearly have no idea what hard leveling is; I suggest you try leveling warrior.

I also leveled a priest in 6 days (6 days and 3 hours), what does that say about me? It says that I used a guide and followed it from level 1 to 60, and that I didn't waste a lot of time. Every class can get to 60 in 6 days excluding warriors (unless you buy BiS gear every 5 levels). Once the PvE server is released players are probably looking at closer to 5 days played because they won't have to ghost walk 20% of the leveling process.

[PeaceHammer]

I won't mind rerolling because I've had more fun in the past few months playing on Nostalrius than I did in the recent years playing retail WoW. Leveling up, interacting with other players in a lively world, and running instances was very enjoyable and I look forward to doing it some more.

Same here. I'm really looking forward to the fresh start. Nostalrius has brought me so much more joy than retail WoW. I'm willing, and eager to start a new journey here on the PvE server.

[Holmes]

looking forward for a nost PvP realm that consists 80% of UD rogues camping low level areas

[fusion686]

Nost,

Do not make changes to a game because people complain. Look what happened to retail wow! Nost is popular because of high population and quality servers. Don't put time and energy into a second server when the first one is still buggy! People always want the easy way out!

The classic wow community is not infinite and will only ever get smaller as the game continues to age. There needs to be a natural turn over of players as they leave it and come back to it. A second server will cause fresh players to be split between the 2 and wont be able to replace the end game raiders quick enough to sustain.

There needs to be an excess of people to allow for high end raiding guilds to form and become stable. Look at feenix! Leave the natural competition for nost alone.

Sincerely,

Vote -1 for new server

[Deo]

How about everyone who rolled here primarily for PVE all those months ago but were able to deal with and even adapt to the server conditions? Where would that leave us? I know nothing's decided, but it'd feel like a knife in the gut at this stage to lose progress. And it'd feel like losing progress. It's not just about established guilds, new blood is needed to keep things interesting and we may be suddenly cut off, with consequences that won't become apparent until it's too late.

Having to level again isn't exactly a small thing to contemplate, no matter what's claimed by people who can't seem to outlevel the two zones in the game where wpvp is actually common. Say most of the "PVE scene" makes the switch, maybe they're willing no-lifers (and I hate to use the term practically being one, but you're looking at another seven days in game time minimum that you shouldn't have to for muh server firsts, and I have other nolifer activities to attend to). Maybe they feel they have to switch because they fear a population decline, or wrecked economy or something. Where does that leave everyone who, reasonably, doesn't want to level a second, third, fourth, or fifth time to finally tackle still unreleased endgame content, that believed they'd made the right choice of realm months ago and wouldn't be asked to jump through such hoops?

Maybe there won't be as much of a schism as this doomsday scenario describes even if the pve realm does take, but we can't help but think about it. I'm just trying to work through and post the drawbacks logically in what limited capacity I can. No matter how good we seem to have it now, servers have died for stupider reasons. The idea that a PVE realm will be populated by entirely new people seems optimistic to say the least, hopefully whatever data you pull from the test can either disprove or fulfill that expectation.
t. soon to be owner of a 60 on each faction.

[varth]

if I can level one of the slowest leveling and easiest to gank class (troll priest) in 6 days then anyone with a brain could do similar.

That statement says everything about you. Priest is FAR from the slowest leveling class, and it's also far from the easiest class to gank as priests have shield, extra armor, offensive and defensive dispel, heals, dot, instant aoe fear, self heal through VE (talent), silence (talent) and very good wand damage (you can actually solo casters by just healing and dot + wanding them down). I leveled a priest myself, and it was one of the easiest and most efficient leveling classes (besides hunter and warlock) I've experienced. You clearly have no idea what hard leveling is; I suggest you try leveling warrior.

I also leveled a priest in 6 days (6 days and 3 hours), what does that say about me? It says that I used a guide and followed it from level 1 to 60, and that I didn't waste a lot of time. Every class can get to 60 in 6 days excluding warriors (unless you buy BiS gear every 5 levels). Once the PvE server is released players are probably looking at closer to 5 days played because they won't have to ghost walk 20% of the leveling process.

Thanks for proving my point? Most of the people clamoring for a pve realm state its because the leveling experience is too plagued by getting ganked on a pvp server. My rl buddy has leveled a warrior to 60 twice, congratz on stating the obvious that they are the hardest to level. I've personally leveled a shaman and a priest to 60. Priest is in the bottom half of levelers, with shaman, hunter, mage, warlock, and rogue all leveling faster, if you had the reading comprehension above a 10 year old you would have noticed "one of the slowest leveling" not THE slowest leveling.

Name one thing of my post that is factually incorrect, oh wait you can't.

[varth]

I think it's mostly the non lvl 60 retards that will go to the PvE server. You have to be some kind of dumbass to struggle leveling on nost, if I can level one of the slowest leveling and easiest to gank class (troll priest) in 6 days then anyone with a brain could do similar.

Horde will be fine because most are used to the grit and challenge of leveling in a pvp environment and don't expect to have their hand held. Its the pussy ass alliance guilds that need to worry since they have the vast majority of the carebears in their faction.

How the FUCK is leveling in a pvp environment challenging? 90%+ of world pvp encounters outside of max level zones heavily favor one side which leads to a shit experience for one party and a meh experience for the other which is just bad game design. I love pvp but world pvp is just awful. Constructed pvp has always been the best approach, hence why pvp peaked in TBC with arenas. Even battleground pvp is quit shit in vanilla due to itemization and lack of balance. When players are on an equal or slightly +/- footing is where actual challenge and skill comes from; not fucking ganking in WoW 4head. If you want challenging and skill-based pvp play a MOBA not WoW.

There's plenty of things challenging about leveling in a pvp environment. You need to figure out the fastest way to level while avoiding getting camped. So you kill mobs behind trees/hills/buildings, find out of the way spawns, go grind in an isolated location, make a big group to scare off gankers, level at off peak hours in hotspots (looking at you stv).

You have to do zero of that in a pve realm, all you need to do is follow a leveling guide to the letter.