What are the best classes & specs for each different role?

[Awkwardlol]

As far as Chromaggus having a Holy Vulnerability (whether a Peenix specific bug or blizzlike and working as intended) Duki sent me a PM saying:

I hate that i didn't screenshot or recorded this particular fight - or else you would see that i was always with Maintank on aggro careful to not overaggro him in this fight when Holy Vulnerability comes.

Personally, I can't say one way or the other as I was primarily focused on cleansing the melee in that given fight to pay attention to particular weaknesses/vulnerabilities.

Which part of there is 5 spells that increases damage done on Chromaggus, which belongs to the schools i already listed you. Since Killerduki doesn't understand there isn't a 6th Elemental Shield to increase Holy Damage, it's because it doesn't exist.
How can you disagree with this? Killerduki is obviously ashamed to have been made a fool out of, I apologize for that, however it doesn't make him any less wrong.

However, i thought you both were able to admit when you were wrong, even though it happens "rarely" as you said yourself. This time is apparently "rare".
Unless you both are also hypocritical?

I'm not being hypocritical - I'm merely stating that let's test it out and see - let's get a Prot Paladin to off tank Chromaggus, Fraps it and let's see what happens.

I've already stated that I was under the impression that he had no Holy Weakness which is why I sent Duki a PM to ask and I posted his reply.

Otherwise, it may have been a bug on Peenix's part or one that's similarly found here on Nostalrius since they are all based on the same original private server emulated core.

No, your deflecting again. You simply can't admit you and Killerduki are wrong. I don't give a shit about Feenix, we are on a Nostalrius forum. Could you explain how Nostalrius would magically have different spells then Feenix, the Database is afterall exactly the same, test it here.

Odds are that Chromaggus simply doesn't reduce the damage done by Holy Spells. It only affects the Schools he can be Vulnerable to. This is not the same at all. This is not something i can confirm and it's still not the actual issue at hand that we are discussing sadly. This would only decrease threat even further if it wasn't the case, this isn't a statement afaik.

You're both wrong still. Come out while you're ahead and admit you guys are wrong on this, It's not like it is going to change, the spells speak the truth, you are currently just deflecting the truth. Getting sad now.

Edit 1: Are you not a man of your word? All you are doing is trying to buy time to make up some shit, I already gave you the answer.

[Ana]

61644 Threats over 3 Minutes Fight + (unknown 20% extra by Holy Shield) + 3420 By Variety of Retribution Aura.

Thank you. This is your first sane post in this thread, btw. Congratulations.

So... that's roughly 360 TPS. Workable in MC, I guess (although a trigger happy warlock will pull aggro with an unlucky shadowbolt crit at start and then you're fucked). I wonder how it changes as gear progresses? Can you do a rough calcuation (don't need to copypaste everything, just point out what changes) for, say, a BWL + ZG geared paladin (starting on AQ)?

[Theloras]

You are putting words in my mouth - as I have stated multiple times now, I have never MTed for a raiding guild and so I have never main tanked Chromaggus.

Whenever I have fought that particular boss, I was either with the melee keeping Judgement of Wisdom up on the boss and auto-attacking with Seal of the Crusader to cleanse all of the melee or with the casters/healers to heal the MT and cleansing the bulk of the raid.

I've never taken the time to check and see what particular resistances/weaknesses were up at any given time because it simply didn't matter to what I was doing in either situation (cleansing melee or healing the MT and cleansing the rest of the raid).

I can't say one way or the other whether he had a Holy Weakness or not - I'm taking Duki at his word and telling you that let's do a test and see. Maybe there was a bug, maybe there wasn't in this particular case.

As far as overall server wide bugs, Peenix had one of the worst bugs of all time before their vaunted core merge in that every single raid boss in AQ40 and Naxx had at least 100-150 Holy Resistance. Every single one was hard coded as such.

I believe some in MC and BWL also had similar Holy Resistances but that was like 3 years ago now so I can't remember for certain.

- edit -
Just because the same base DB is the same, it doesn't mean that they are working properly - especially here on Nostalrius given that they have 1.12.1 skills/abilities/talents (a lot of which are bugged) yet currently have 1.6 itemization and raid instances.

[Awkwardlol]

You are putting words in my mouth - as I have stated multiple times now, I have never MTed for a raiding guild and so I have never main tanked Chromaggus.

Whenever I have fought that particular boss, I was either with the melee keeping Judgement of Wisdom up on the boss and auto-attacking with Seal of the Crusader to cleanse all of the melee or with the casters/healers to heal the MT and cleansing the bulk of the raid.

I've never taken the time to check and see what particular resistances/weaknesses were up at any given time because it simply didn't matter to what I was doing in either situation (cleansing melee or healing the MT and cleansing the rest of the raid).

I can't say one way or the other whether he had a Holy Weakness or not - I'm taking Duki at his word and telling you that let's do a test and see. Maybe there was a bug, maybe there wasn't in this particular case.

As far as overall server wide bugs, Peenix had one of the worst bugs of all time before their vaunted core merge in that every single raid boss in AQ40 and Naxx had at least 100-150 Holy Resistance. Every single one was hard coded as such.

I believe some in MC and BWL also had similar Holy Resistances but that was like 3 years ago now so I can't remember for certain.

Ok since you can't admit you or him can ever be wrong (liar).

You could at least us all why there is no Vulnerability spell for Holy? There is 5, you already know which ones.

Thanks in advance!

Edit1: Nobody stated that you tanked Chromaggus. You are backing up Killerduki, thus you are in the same boat as him, don't pick sides if you are not interested in getting involved. You could simply not reply, yet you choose to do so to try and back him up when he's at his weakest and when he's just completely wrong and he wont be able to admit it, since he's pathetic and a liar and a incompetent person in general.

You still have a chance though.

[Theloras]

You are putting words in my mouth - as I have stated multiple times now, I have never MTed for a raiding guild and so I have never main tanked Chromaggus.

Whenever I have fought that particular boss, I was either with the melee keeping Judgement of Wisdom up on the boss and auto-attacking with Seal of the Crusader to cleanse all of the melee or with the casters/healers to heal the MT and cleansing the bulk of the raid.

I've never taken the time to check and see what particular resistances/weaknesses were up at any given time because it simply didn't matter to what I was doing in either situation (cleansing melee or healing the MT and cleansing the rest of the raid).

I can't say one way or the other whether he had a Holy Weakness or not - I'm taking Duki at his word and telling you that let's do a test and see. Maybe there was a bug, maybe there wasn't in this particular case.

As far as overall server wide bugs, Peenix had one of the worst bugs of all time before their vaunted core merge in that every single raid boss in AQ40 and Naxx had at least 100-150 Holy Resistance. Every single one was hard coded as such.

I believe some in MC and BWL also had similar Holy Resistances but that was like 3 years ago now so I can't remember for certain.

Ok since you can't admit you or him can ever be wrong (liar).

You could at least us all why there is no Vulnerability spell for Holy? There is 5, you already know which ones.

Thanks in advance!

Are you trying to suggest that there are no bugs either here on Nostalrius or Peenix or any other private server or back on retail Vanilla for that matter?

- edit -

Nobody stated that you tanked Chromaggus. You are backing up Killerduki, thus you are in the same boat as him, don't pick sides if you are not interested in getting involved. You could simply not reply, yet you choose to do so to try and back him up when he's at his weakest and when he's just completely wrong and he wont be able to admit it, since he's pathetic and a liar and a incompetent person in general.

What part of I have never taken the time to pay attention of Chromaggus' weaknesses/vulnerabilities do you not get? For the umpteenth time, I thought he didn't have one so I PMed Duki to ask him and I am taking him at his word that Chromaggus has one (whether a bug or not).

Because I have no experience/knowledge of this, I am going out of my way to say, "Let's run a test to see how things look."

[Awkwardlol]

You are putting words in my mouth - as I have stated multiple times now, I have never MTed for a raiding guild and so I have never main tanked Chromaggus.

Whenever I have fought that particular boss, I was either with the melee keeping Judgement of Wisdom up on the boss and auto-attacking with Seal of the Crusader to cleanse all of the melee or with the casters/healers to heal the MT and cleansing the bulk of the raid.

I've never taken the time to check and see what particular resistances/weaknesses were up at any given time because it simply didn't matter to what I was doing in either situation (cleansing melee or healing the MT and cleansing the rest of the raid).

I can't say one way or the other whether he had a Holy Weakness or not - I'm taking Duki at his word and telling you that let's do a test and see. Maybe there was a bug, maybe there wasn't in this particular case.

As far as overall server wide bugs, Peenix had one of the worst bugs of all time before their vaunted core merge in that every single raid boss in AQ40 and Naxx had at least 100-150 Holy Resistance. Every single one was hard coded as such.

I believe some in MC and BWL also had similar Holy Resistances but that was like 3 years ago now so I can't remember for certain.

Ok since you can't admit you or him can ever be wrong (liar).

You could at least us all why there is no Vulnerability spell for Holy? There is 5, you already know which ones.

Thanks in advance!

Are you trying to suggest that there are no bugs either here on Nostalrius or Peenix or any other private server or back on retail Vanilla for that matter?

Deflecting again. Answer the question i presented you, you can't, because if you do, you prove to the entire forum that you and Killerduki are wrong, which you apparently you can and will admit when you know it yourself, and you do know it now, yet you choose to be a complete ass.

[Theloras]

^^^Because I have no experience/knowledge of this, I am going out of my way to say, "Let's run a test to see how things look."^^^

You're the one being a complete ass and derailing topic after topic...

[smilkovpetko]

by Awkwardlol » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:07 am

Odds are that Chromaggus simply doesn't reduce the damage done by Holy Spells. It only affects the Schools he can be Vulnerable to. This is not the same at all.

He does both at same time "Approving and Disapproving" .

Even if Peenix had Bugged Holy Vulnerability . That made him also High Resistant time to time toward Holy.

If you say that "This is Bug".

This mean that our Holy according to your logic would not be "Resistant" toward this Boss .
This mean that Warrior Tank will not benefit more than Paladin Tank on threats according to your Logic.
Because neither one or 2nd will get reduced or improved.

[Awkwardlol]

^^^Because I have no experience/knowledge of this, I am going out of my way to say, "Let's run a test to see how things look."^^^

I already gave you a possibility as to why he could create aggro with Holy Spells, you choose to ignore it.
However, it still doesn't make you any less wrong. Wrong is wrong, you say you can admit it, you ain't, nor is Killerduki (Who would expect such a selfish person to be able to say: "I admit, I am wrong")

However, I just want you to give me the answer to the question i gave you and Killerduki.

All you've done so far is deflect and talk about other things then answer the question at hand. You have poor reading skills it seems, unless you're just going to keep being an ass, for no reason other then you can't admit when your wrong, I guess the trolls on Feenix were right.

Remember, I don't care about how i look, this is about you and Killerduki currently.

[Awkwardlol]

by Awkwardlol » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:07 am

Odds are that Chromaggus simply doesn't reduce the damage done by Holy Spells. It only affects the Schools he can be Vulnerable to. This is not the same at all.

He does both at same time "Approving and Disapproving" .

Even if Peenix had Bugged Holy Vulnerability . That made him also High Resistant time to time toward Holy.

If you say that "This is Bug".

This mean that our Holy according to your logic would not be "Resistant" toward this Boss .
This mean that Warrior Tank will not benefit more than Paladin Tank on threats according to your Logic.
Because neither one or 2nd will get reduced or improved.

There you are, you finally woke up from your hibernation. Welcome back clue-less Paladin Vanilla Player.

As you stated yourself, you say that you have increased damage versus Chromaggus, you don't. There is no spell in the Database for this.

As i stated, to save you from being a complete retard: Chromaggus may take normal damage from Holy, but it is not increased whatsoever from any other creature. Which still means you are wrong, you are clueless and you are still forgetting to admit you are wrong.

Anytime now, lad.

Where is the Spell ID for the Holy Vulnerability? (Increased damage, as you stated)

Edit1: All you are going to do now is state that i am wrong that you ment that Chromaggus can be damaged by Holy Damage, you never ment that he could take extra amounts of damage, since he would be vulnerable.

jk, again, you're a liar and you're clueless