What are the best classes & specs for each different role?

[Awkwardlol]

by Awkwardlol » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:28 pm
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=23646
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22277
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22278
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22279
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22280
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22281

All the Links you posted are from "Peenix" database in which there was "Holy" Resistance from Boss and Death Talo Wyrmguards in that server.

by Awkwardlol » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:10 pm
And also, you were the one that said on Feenix, there was a Holy Vulnerability because you were able to tank Chromaggus

Second is if Death_Talon_Wyrmguard and Chromaggus is already Holy Resistant (in Peenix )and toward your Logic (Holy Should not be counted) then this must been either Privacy Servers Bug or False proves.

Before you fill your Mouth more with Bullshits i remind you again.

Hello Killerduki, since you are deflecting the issue that you started with and have been going on about for the last 10 hours, let me remind you again: We are talking about Holy Vulnerability on Chromaggus.

He does not have one. I linked you 2 different Vanilla Databases, I gave you WoWHead links and you are still acting like a baby trying to deflect that you are wrong and have been proven wrong on a public forum.

You stated to Theloras and on here yourself that you tanked Chromaggus on Feenix, you said Feenix had a Holy Vulnerability and you were able to out threat a Warrior on this fight when that happens.

As i have told you many times by now, you are wrong and you need to learn to admit this. See this as the first step towards redemption.

Please answer this one: Did Feenix have the Holy Vulnerability on Chromaggus, like you claimed or not?

[smilkovpetko]

by Awkwardlol » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:28 pm
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=23646
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22277
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22278
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22279
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22280
http://www.wow-one.com/database/index.php?spell=22281

All the Links you posted are from "Peenix" database in which there was "Holy" Resistance from Boss and Death Talo Wyrmguards in that server.

by Awkwardlol » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:10 pm
And also, you were the one that said on Feenix, there was a Holy Vulnerability because you were able to tank Chromaggus

Second is if Death_Talon_Wyrmguard and Chromaggus is already Holy Resistant (in Peenix )and toward your Logic (Holy Should not be counted) then this must been either Privacy Servers Bug or False proves.

Before you fill your Mouth more with Bullshits i remind you again.

Hello Killerduki, since you are deflecting the issue that you started with and have been going on about for the last 10 hours, let me remind you again: We are talking about Holy Vulnerability on Chromaggus.

He does not have one. I linked you 2 different Vanilla Databases, I gave you WoWHead links and you are still acting like a baby trying to deflect that you are wrong and have been proven wrong on a public forum.

You stated to Theloras and on here yourself that you tanked Chromaggus on Feenix, you said Feenix had a Holy Vulnerability and you were able to out threat a Warrior on this fight when that happens.

As i have told you many times by now, you are wrong and you need to learn to admit this. See this as the first step towards redemption.

Please answer this one: Did Feenix have the Holy Vulnerability on Chromaggus, like you claimed or not?

The more delusional you try to be the worse for you :

Please answer this one: Did Feenix have the Holy Vulnerability on Chromaggus, like you claimed or not?

http://spqrgaming.shivtr.com/forum_threads/1694997

Leaked by SPQR = Raiding Guild on Emerald Dream.

Spriest can wand, mostly, since you will be needing the mana over the long fight, most likely. If you have enough mana, and its something else than Holy/Shadow vulnerability, you can just use your Mindflay anyway, since every little DMG counts (We all know those 1 % wipes) and we need your debuff up all the time ofc.

[Awkwardlol]

The more delusional you try to be the worse for you :

Please answer this one: Did Feenix have the Holy Vulnerability on Chromaggus, like you claimed or not?

http://spqrgaming.shivtr.com/forum_threads/1694997

Leaked by SPQR = Raiding Guild on Emerald Dream.

Spriest can wand, mostly, since you will be needing the mana over the long fight, most likely. If you have enough mana, and its something else than Holy/Shadow vulnerability, you can just use your Mindflay anyway, since every little DMG counts (We all know those 1 % wipes) and we need your debuff up all the time ofc.

I admire your desire to keep deflecting, however you and your fellow Paladin friend stated:

As far as Chromaggus having a Holy Vulnerability (whether a Peenix specific bug or blizzlike and working as intended) Duki sent me a PM saying:

I hate that i didn't screenshot or recorded this particular fight - or else you would see that i was always with Maintank on aggro careful to not overaggro him in this fight when Holy Vulnerability comes.

Personally, I can't say one way or the other as I was primarily focused on cleansing the melee in that given fight to pay attention to particular weaknesses/vulnerabilities.

Was this a lie, or did you do this on Feenix or not? You say you did, but now you are not willing to say that you did?

Edit1: I'd love to know where you found the Holy Vulnerability, was it on Feenix? Was it on Retail? The above says it was Feenix, but somehow you are avoiding the question, so i am asking again.

[ceen2]

Forum Wars at it's finest.

[Awkwardlol]

Forum Wars at it's finest.

Thank you sir

[Noselacri]

I can't believe this is still going on.

[Awkwardlol]

I can't believe this is still going on.

And yet all he had to do was admit he was wrong, was worth a try.

[Aethelwulf]

Running this argument to ground for once has its merits.

At the end of the day, the following issues have become clear, at the least:

1. A Paladin's threat generation is indeed drastically inferior to a Warrior's.
2. Paladins do not have the "oh shit" buttons that Warriors have such as Shield Wall or Last Stand or Lifegiving Gem, only Lay on Hands (which OOMs the Paladin and could also just be used on a warrior tank) and Bubble (which wipes aggro from the Paladin).
3. Becoming uncrushable for Paladins depends on both Holy Shield and sitting to force crits (which undermines the purpose of being uncrushable) to proc Redoubt. I think even then the Paladin still has to gear extra avoidance to completely fill up the rest of the attack table since he would only have covered about 90% of it. Contrast Warriors who can easily activate their Shield Block ability and cap themselves out.
4. Paladins are mana-limited and frequently run the risk of going OOM.
5. Demonic Runes adds a mild extra risk to the Paladin's survival (rune lowers hp and can crit).
6. Mana Potion displaces Greater Stoneshield Potion leaving the Paladin with 2K lower armor.

The ultimate conclusion is that Paladins indeed make bad maintanks without any reason to favor, since they are inferior in both damage mitigation and threat generation. This also leaves a gearing issue since tank gear is typically passed to Warriors first. However, Paladins are viable AoE tanks owing to their superior AoE threat generation with Consecration.

[Noselacri]

I can't believe this is still going on.

And yet all he had to do was admit he was wrong, was worth a try.

Wasn't really worth the try. You're dealing with extremely deluded, hostile people of low intellect. You'll never get anything out of them. People like that should be left alone.

[smilkovpetko]

The more delusional you try to be the worse for you :

Please answer this one: Did Feenix have the Holy Vulnerability on Chromaggus, like you claimed or not?

http://spqrgaming.shivtr.com/forum_threads/1694997

Leaked by SPQR = Raiding Guild on Emerald Dream.

Spriest can wand, mostly, since you will be needing the mana over the long fight, most likely. If you have enough mana, and its something else than Holy/Shadow vulnerability, you can just use your Mindflay anyway, since every little DMG counts (We all know those 1 % wipes) and we need your debuff up all the time ofc.

I admire your desire to keep deflecting, however you and your fellow Paladin friend stated:

As far as Chromaggus having a Holy Vulnerability (whether a Peenix specific bug or blizzlike and working as intended) Duki sent me a PM saying:

I hate that i didn't screenshot or recorded this particular fight - or else you would see that i was always with Maintank on aggro careful to not overaggro him in this fight when Holy Vulnerability comes.

Personally, I can't say one way or the other as I was primarily focused on cleansing the melee in that given fight to pay attention to particular weaknesses/vulnerabilities.

Was this a lie, or did you do this on Feenix or not? You say you did, but now you are not willing to say that you did?

Edit1: I'd love to know where you found the Holy Vulnerability, was it on Feenix? Was it on Retail? The above says it was Feenix, but somehow you are avoiding the question, so i am asking again.

First of all you are Trying to Achieve Medal talking bullshits let me just remind you what have been said and how you have moved this conversation from one to another far away from reality just to become delusional and tell us "you don't admit where you are wrong".

I will start with all the quotes about how "Chromaggus" conversation started :

by sidesprang » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:33 pm
@duki you know 60k threat over 180 seconds is really bad? If you check the link vices posted you can see warrior threat calced out to do around 700.

Anyhow check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPBGTTdY5gA, this is me on chromaggus, first attack lands around 0:21, so just skip to 3:21 and check threat in KTM. There you can see I have 113k threat after 3 minutes of fight way more than your 60k. I would also have done more threat if it was not for chromaggus having frost burn which slows attack speed and gives me fewer heroic strikes.

His Video in fact coming from Peenix which in that period had bugged Thunderfury that increase enormous Threats than it was supposed to increase.

by smilkovpetko » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:40 pm
Everything on my Calculations was based on Current Patch and not on Peenix Patch.

In your Video i see Very BiS Protection Warrior in which as Very BiS Protection Paladin we gain up to 250 Spell Damage instead current 100 Pre raid Calculations.

Now you Talk about Chromaggus . ... Imagine the Holy Threats when get Weak by Holy Spells!?!?!?!>... That would go beyond your illusion in this fight. using 250 spell damage.

Chromaggus' skin can "shimmer", changing his vulnerability to a particular school of magic. If you have CTRA it will help you know when his vulnerability changes and identify it when it is found.

This can make our Threats 2 times more than your Warrior Threats if we are "Equal" geared.

Now you talk about Abilities and Threats.... Warrior can dream to make that "700" Threat each second or two when his Rage Starving killing him.

See something why you get more stupid and idiot - The person i talk with was Related to Peenix and not Retail. (in which Peenix had this Holy Vulnerability and Holy Resistance).

Theloras wrote:
As far as Chromaggus having a Holy Vulnerability (whether a Peenix specific bug or blizzlike and working as intended) Duki sent me a PM saying:

I hate that i didn't screenshot or recorded this particular fight - or else you would see that i was always with Maintank on aggro careful to not overaggro him in this fight when Holy Vulnerability comes.

Personally, I can't say one way or the other as I was primarily focused on cleansing the melee in that given fight to pay attention to particular weaknesses/vulnerabilities.

See now which server we talk about!?.

smilkovpetko wrote:
Even if Peenix had Bugged Holy Vulnerability . That made him also High Resistant time to time toward Holy.

smilkovpetko wrote:

First of all there is no solid evidence of what you talk about since - Chromaggus is not defined in which School is High Resistant or Vulnerable .

(Taking into account the Death_Talon_Wyrmguard)
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Talon_Wyrmguard
In b4 Are already High Resistant toward Holy School too.

This Doesn't Exclude Chromaggus .

But as i said in fact there is nowhere evidence about this so we are basing into Assumptions since in wowwiki doesn't say anything about particular school Holy like they do for Ossirian or Twins.

Second is if Death_Talon_Wyrmguard is already Holy Resistant and toward your Logic (Holy Should not be counted) then this must been either Privacy Servers Bug or False proves.


by smilkovpetko » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:31 pm

http://spqrgaming.shivtr.com/forum_threads/1694997

Leaked by SPQR = Raiding Guild on Emerald Dream.

Spriest can wand, mostly, since you will be needing the mana over the long fight, most likely. If you have enough mana, and its something else than Holy/Shadow vulnerability, you can just use your Mindflay anyway, since every little DMG counts (We all know those 1 % wipes) and we need your debuff up all the time ofc.

And to answer in 1 Simple line : Yes i have Maintanked Chromaggus on Peenix......

All this discussion that started came from person that Mention Peenix as Threats Gaining in Chromaggus Back in 2013 or earlier .....

Now i am happy to set you on foe because you have eaten 1000 Bullshits until now.....
I hope you are happy with the last answer...