What are the best classes & specs for each different role?

[smilkovpetko]

And how did you gave this evidence that their coefficient is quite "100%" scaling and not 1%! ? where even Blizzard says that can't confirm you what coefficient.

...There is no reason why Blizzard would do a 1% coefficient. Custom coefficients are extremely rare, and Blizzard would sooner just disable scaling. And if it did have a 1% coefficient, then people would mention that it sometimes hits for 4 damage, considering that the gauntlets themselves give +21 nature damage.

by StealthyCow, 9.0 months ago
After using these for a while, I got pretty annoyed.
I'm an elemental shaman, but seeing as we're constantly trying to save mana, melee damage is still there. Seeing and hearing the constant blue shock got really annoying.

So now I'm using the 1% spell crit hands from that DM quest...but these are still good for MC and stuff, and maybe if I get much more +damage without getting earthfury gauntlets I'll use em again.

...At no point did he say that the gloves scale with spell damage. He is only saying that the he likes the gloves and if he has enough +damage to cover his needs he'd consider revisiting it. He is also making it clear that he considers Earthfury Gauntlets better, which is curious if this guy believed that Storm Gauntlets scaled as you insist.

...There is no reason why Blizzard would do a 1% coefficient. Custom coefficients are extremely rare, and Blizzard would sooner just disable scaling.

Oh now you talk about Blizzard which you clearly denied of what they have respond!?!?!?!.....

And if it did have a 1% coefficient, then people would mention that it sometimes hits for 4 damage, considering that the gauntlets themselves give +21 nature damage.

And who of those people mention Not Scaling or Scaling?! ... NONE.
In which you have 0 Proofs either.
Nobody have disapproved the scaling yet and you still insist.


. He is also making it clear that he considers Earthfury Gauntlets better, which is curious if this guy believed that Storm Gauntlets scaled as you insist.

o now you came to the point i was saying right!? .

[Noselacri]

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, you really have gone through every friggin' logical fallacy by now. I don't know why Aethelwulf continues to try to debate anything with you. No matter how many dozens of times you're proven wrong, you just continue to pick at something completely unrelated and irrelevant, without the slightest hint of substance or point. You've never had anything resembling an argument, you're just trying to tire everyone out and then declare yourself the winner once there's nobody left who's willing to bother pointing out that you're resoundingly wrong.

Oftentimes, it's clear that you don't even speak English well enough to understand what he's saying.

[Theloras]

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, you really have gone through every friggin' logical fallacy by now. I don't know why Aethelwulf continues to try to debate anything with you. No matter how many dozens of times you're proven wrong, you just continue to pick at something completely unrelated and irrelevant, without the slightest hint of substance or point. You've never had anything resembling an argument, you're just trying to tire everyone out and then declare yourself the winner once there's nobody left who's willing to bother pointing out that you're resoundingly wrong.

nah we just report you to the forum mods for threatening/hurling abuse

[Aethelwulf]

Smilkovpetko, I'm afraid your reading comprehension is wanting.

Oh now you talk about Blizzard which you clearly denied of what they have respond!?!?!?!.....

Hasty generalization fallacy, I believe. I do not have an issue with Blizzard. The dev team and the customer rep team are not the same either. I do not even have an issue with the specific Blizzard rep quoted. I have an issue with taking his word as fact when he is clearly stating that he has no official information on the subject and can only provide rumors.

And who of those people mention Not Scaling or Scaling?! ... NONE.
In which you have 0 Proofs either.
Nobody have disapproved the scaling yet and you still insist.

They gave clear numbers for the amount of damage it does. The damage indicates zero scaling.

o now you came to the point i was saying right!? .

No, I am coming to the point that you are wrong. If you were right, he would not consider Earthfury Gauntlets better than Storm Gauntlets. The fact that he did consider Earthfury Gauntlets better indicates that they do not scale as you assert.

nah we just report you to the forum mods for threatening/hurling abuse

...And at what point did he threaten abuse?

[Theloras]

Smilkovpetko, I'm afraid your reading comprehension is wanting.

Oh now you talk about Blizzard which you clearly denied of what they have respond!?!?!?!.....

Hasty generalization fallacy, I believe. I do not have an issue with Blizzard. The dev team and the customer rep team are not the same either. I do not even have an issue with the specific Blizzard rep you were quoting. I have an issue with taking his word as fact when he is clearly mentioning rumors without any form of evidence to them while couching his language in clearly uncertain terms.

And who of those people mention Not Scaling or Scaling?! ... NONE.
In which you have 0 Proofs either.
Nobody have disapproved the scaling yet and you still insist.

They gave clear numbers for the amount of damage it does. The damage indicates zero scaling.

o now you came to the point i was saying right!? .

No, I am coming to the point that you are wrong. If you were right, he would not consider Earthfury Gauntlets better than Storm Gauntlets. The fact that he did consider Earthfury Gauntlets better indicates that they do not scale as you assert.

You know you are more than welcome to submit your own ticket on Battle.net and ask Blizzard yourself right?

[Aethelwulf]

I have no need to. By the blizzard rep's own account, they do not possess official information on the subject. Asking would serve no purpose.

And I already have evidence that it did not scale.

[smilkovpetko]

Smilkovpetko, I'm afraid your reading comprehension is wanting.

Oh now you talk about Blizzard which you clearly denied of what they have respond!?!?!?!.....

Hasty generalization fallacy, I believe. I do not have an issue with Blizzard. The dev team and the customer rep team are not the same either. I do not even have an issue with the specific Blizzard rep quoted. I have an issue with taking his word as fact when he is clearly stating that he has no official information on the subject and can only provide rumors.

And who of those people mention Not Scaling or Scaling?! ... NONE.
In which you have 0 Proofs either.
Nobody have disapproved the scaling yet and you still insist.

They gave clear numbers for the amount of damage it does. The damage indicates zero scaling.

o now you came to the point i was saying right!? .

No, I am coming to the point that you are wrong. If you were right, he would not consider Earthfury Gauntlets better than Storm Gauntlets. The fact that he did consider Earthfury Gauntlets better indicates that they do not scale as you assert.

nah we just report you to the forum mods for threatening/hurling abuse

...And at what point did he threaten abuse?

Aethelwulf wrote:
He is only saying that the he likes the gloves and if he has enough +damage to cover his needs he'd consider revisiting it.

[Theloras]

I have no need to. By the blizzard rep's own account, there is no official information on the subject. It would serve no purpose.

Then we will be eternally dancing in circles on this subject - can we just agree that it isn't worth arguing about anymore since it's a non issue and stay on topic here?

You say my evidence is hearsay and I say that your evidence isn't validated.

[Aethelwulf]

Smilkovpetko, as I said before, your reading comprehension is inadequate. Believe it or not, the primary need for spell damage is actually for spells.

Theloras, there already exists evidence that they did not scale. You're simply refusing to accept it. Your evidence is hearsay by the Blizzard rep's own admission. My evidence is direct evidence of Storm Gauntlets damage numbers. When it comes to a contest of plausibility, my evidence is much stronger than your rumors. You are also willfully neglecting the Thottbot comments providing damage numbers for Storm Gauntlets.

[Theloras]

Smilkovpetko, as I said before, your reading comprehension is inadequate. Believe it or not, the primary need for spell damage is actually for spells.

Theloras, there already exists evidence that they did not scale. You're simply refusing to accept it. Your evidence is hearsay by the Blizzard rep's own admission. My evidence is direct evidence of Storm Gauntlets damage numbers. When it comes to a contest of plausibility, my evidence is much stronger than your rumors. You are also willfully neglecting the Thottbot comments providing damage numbers for Storm Gauntlets.

I'm not willfully ignoring anything - you are refusing to accept the word of a Blizzard GM as heresy and I am refusing to accept the video on the basis that it isn't validated.

Stuff changed over the course of Vanilla with spell damage scaling being blanket introduced on items as soon as they were released and then removed during later patches - with the worst example being Oil of Immolation which the guild Judgement back on Peenix used and abused on an epic scale in order to achieve their BWL "speed runs"

Judgement Blackwing Lair Speedrun (43 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlweU_UleUo

But lo and behold:

Patch changes
Patch 1.6.1 (02-Aug-2005): The Oil of Immolation effect is no longer affected by bonuses to spell damage from items.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Oil_of_Immolation

Without patch notes to refer to, we simply don't have any official Blizzard stance one way or the other to go upon - again, which is why I submitted the battle.net GM ticket in order to try and find an official answer.

Likewise, you are refusing to even read the other bug report regarding Seal Twisting. You claim it's a separate issue but the fact remains that I was able to prove without a shadow of a doubt something that everyone else shouted/yelled/trolled at me that shouldn't be possible.

Because of the Seal Twisting in Vanilla discovery that I made, everyone needs to realize that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

TLDR - this entire topic is off-topic as the end result has no bearing on this conversation in this thread - YOU are the one who brought it up, not me and keep bringing it up ad nauseum.