What are the best classes & specs for each different role?

[smilkovpetko]

Its funny how he decide to ignore stuffs , by jumping posts time to time and there he comes with conclusions about how much mana i used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1_YEl0Yp8I

just video example how my mana works .

This is for him to see how much mana i would waste Spamming Max Rank Consecration.

(Keep and Eye on Mana Pool from beginning until the end) . Use HD quality and enjoy.,

[Armilus]

Its funny how he decide to ignore stuffs , by jumping posts time to time and there he comes with conclusions about how much mana i used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1_YEl0Yp8I

just video example how my mana works .

This is for him to see how much mana i would waste Spamming Max Rank Consecration.

(Keep and Eye on Mana Pool from beginning until the end) . Use HD quality and enjoy.,

When you calculated 900 TPS for a prot paladin, you CLEARLY used max rank consecrate on cooldown. On top of your holy shield error that brings the TPS down to around 750, if you now use rank 1 consecrate you are looking at 85 TPS instead of 160 TPS so now your OWN CALCULATIONS show a prot paladin only doing 650 TPS.

The mana usage is also cheaper though, so now you only need about 14,000 mana for a 3 minute fight using only rank 1 consecrate.

Edit: That video has nothing to do with single target threat. It's easy to be right when you just change the topic constantly.

[smilkovpetko]

Its funny how he decide to ignore stuffs , by jumping posts time to time and there he comes with conclusions about how much mana i used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1_YEl0Yp8I

just video example how my mana works .

This is for him to see how much mana i would waste Spamming Max Rank Consecration.

(Keep and Eye on Mana Pool from beginning until the end) . Use HD quality and enjoy.,

When you calculated 900 TPS for a prot paladin, you CLEARLY used max rank consecrate on cooldown. On top of your holy shield error that brings the TPS down to around 750, if you now use rank 1 consecrate you are looking at 85 TPS instead of 160 TPS so now your OWN CALCULATIONS show a prot paladin only doing 650 TPS.

The mana usage is also cheaper though, so now you only need about 14,000 mana for a 3 minute fight using only rank 1 consecrate.

Edit: That video has nothing to do with single target threat.

How did you calculate that my Holy Shield is Error?! And how did you got that Reducing down to 750?!..
Even his Calculations didn't match the 700 TPS on the Neffarian Fight using the weapon he calculated.

The Video is Proof of Mana Management VS Spamming MAX Rank Consecration.

As i never downrank Consecration or any other abilities..

See how my mana gets over 3:43 Minutes Spamming it.

[Armilus]

Its funny how he decide to ignore stuffs , by jumping posts time to time and there he comes with conclusions about how much mana i used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1_YEl0Yp8I

just video example how my mana works .

This is for him to see how much mana i would waste Spamming Max Rank Consecration.

(Keep and Eye on Mana Pool from beginning until the end) . Use HD quality and enjoy.,

When you calculated 900 TPS for a prot paladin, you CLEARLY used max rank consecrate on cooldown. On top of your holy shield error that brings the TPS down to around 750, if you now use rank 1 consecrate you are looking at 85 TPS instead of 160 TPS so now your OWN CALCULATIONS show a prot paladin only doing 650 TPS.

The mana usage is also cheaper though, so now you only need about 14,000 mana for a 3 minute fight using only rank 1 consecrate.

Edit: That video has nothing to do with single target threat.

How did you calculate that my Holy Shield is Error?! And how did you got that Reducing down to 750?!..

The Video is Proof of Mana Management VS Spamming MAX Rank Consecration.

As i never downrank Consecration or any other abilities..

See how my mana gets over 3:43 Minutes Spamming it.

I already posted it. You assumed that with holy shield you would get a block on every attack because you thought that sides calculated revenge wrong (you were in error, he calculated it correctly). Assuming a 40% block chance instead of 100% reduces the TPS of holy shield by 60%. A difference of 150 TPS. Now that I look at it, you are also assuming that you block an attack with holy shield every second. Bosses attack at 2.5 speed so really holy shield is 54 TPS, NOT 342 TPS.

So really the TPS is 645 with holy shield calculated properly and still requiring 131 mana per second to sustain with max rank consecrate.

Your video clearly shows that you are not using consecrate on cooldown but in your TPS calculation you did assume that it was being used on cooldown.

As I said, the video is totally irrelevant, I am talking about your single target threat calculation where you came out to over 990 TPS with a prot paladin. The video has nothing to do with single target threat and does not follow the assumptions in YOUR calculation.

Your TPS calculation is invalid and full of errors, it also requires 131 mana per second to sustain which no amount of consumables will support for any fight longer than about 1 minute.

[smilkovpetko]

Its funny how he decide to ignore stuffs , by jumping posts time to time and there he comes with conclusions about how much mana i used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1_YEl0Yp8I

just video example how my mana works .

This is for him to see how much mana i would waste Spamming Max Rank Consecration.

(Keep and Eye on Mana Pool from beginning until the end) . Use HD quality and enjoy.,

When you calculated 900 TPS for a prot paladin, you CLEARLY used max rank consecrate on cooldown. On top of your holy shield error that brings the TPS down to around 750, if you now use rank 1 consecrate you are looking at 85 TPS instead of 160 TPS so now your OWN CALCULATIONS show a prot paladin only doing 650 TPS.

The mana usage is also cheaper though, so now you only need about 14,000 mana for a 3 minute fight using only rank 1 consecrate.

Edit: That video has nothing to do with single target threat.

How did you calculate that my Holy Shield is Error?! And how did you got that Reducing down to 750?!..

The Video is Proof of Mana Management VS Spamming MAX Rank Consecration.

As i never downrank Consecration or any other abilities..

See how my mana gets over 3:43 Minutes Spamming it.

I already posted it. You assumed that with holy shield you would get a block on every attack because you thought that sides calculated revenge wrong (you were in error, he calculated it correctly). Assuming a 40% block chance instead of 100% reduces the TPS of holy shield by 60%. A difference of 150 TPS. Now that I look at it, you are also assuming that you block an attack with holy shield every second. Bosses attack at 2.5 speed so really holy shield is 54 TPS, NOT 342 TPS.

So really the TPS is 645 with holy shield calculated properly and still requiring 131 mana per second to sustain with max rank consecrate.

Your video clearly shows that you are not using consecrate on cooldown but in your TPS calculation you did assume that it was being used on cooldown.

As I said, the video is totally irrelevant, I am talking about your single target threat calculation where you came out to over 990 TPS with a prot paladin. The video has nothing to do with single target threat and does not follow the assumptions in YOUR calculation.

Your TPS calculation is invalid and full of errors, it also requires 131 mana per second to sustain which no amount of consumables will support for any fight longer than about 1 minute.

I already posted it. You assumed that with holy shield you would get a block on every attack because you thought that sides calculated revenge wrong (you were in error, he calculated it correctly). Assuming a 40% block chance instead of 100% reduces the TPS of holy shield by 60%. A difference of 150 TPS. Now that I look at it, you are also assuming that you block an attack with holy shield every second. Bosses attack at 2.5 speed so really holy shield is 54 TPS, NOT 342 TPS.

Perhaps you should start Read Everything instead Ignoring the Posts where i divide Holy Shield into 3 for this. And used into Neffarian Calculations that i got the Number Math.


Your video clearly shows that you are not using consecrate on cooldown but in your TPS calculation you did assume that it was being used on cooldown.

That's why on My Video i End up Full Mana. Where in my Calculation if you didn't ignore many posts you would see that i pointed the "Mana Breaks" .

As I said, the video is totally irrelevant, I am talking about your single target threat calculation where you came out to over 990 TPS with a prot paladin. The video has nothing to do with single target threat and does not follow the assumptions in YOUR calculation.

His Calculations was Based toward Abilities on CD , Same i did too .

In which even on the Video he show this was Irrelevant toward his Calculations.
(so if you tend to talk about my error) see how much Threats Reduce he would go too using his Calculations too.

378000 Threats he had to be on his Video according his Math.

In the Video Clearly Show that he was up to 245 k Threats Which was also irrelevant.

As i already Said - My calculations was made same as his . where he ignored stuffs and i pointed the same.

I don't care if you like it or not , If you criticise my Calculations , then you should Criticise his Calculations too.
Where he was Far from the Video too.

Then i Gave Log to proof how my Threats Work.

[sidesprang]

If you don't even trust my Math - See the Log even:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 46&Fight=7


20% of my dmg is white hits = 22659 = 22659 threat
80% of my dmg is holy = 90638 + RF 81574 = 172212 threat

194871 Threats as Offtank overall fight.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 6407_o.jpg


See how much mistaken i would be ? (probably with 3-4k threats for overall fight due mistake calculation on white swings or different timers) .

You would even Deny This now?!.

The realm players link includes phase 1 where you were consecrating and hitting multiple targets so the damage values aren't valid for a single target. Did you reset KTM when nefarian landed?

Sidesprang had included his 55k threat from the adds in phase 1 in his calculations.

Are you for fking real? Seriously stop lying and distorting the truth....

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=20825&start=150#p154932

That is the original post go fking read it, it CLEARLY states I substract the 55k threat from p1....

[Theloras]

That is the original post go fking read it, it CLEARLY states I substract the 55k threat from p1....

Ok, then my bad - this isn't my area of expertise - it was an honest mistake as I didn't see that.

[smilkovpetko]

If you don't even trust my Math - See the Log even:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 46&Fight=7


20% of my dmg is white hits = 22659 = 22659 threat
80% of my dmg is holy = 90638 + RF 81574 = 172212 threat

194871 Threats as Offtank overall fight.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 6407_o.jpg


See how much mistaken i would be ? (probably with 3-4k threats for overall fight due mistake calculation on white swings or different timers) .

You would even Deny This now?!.

The realm players link includes phase 1 where you were consecrating and hitting multiple targets so the damage values aren't valid for a single target. Did you reset KTM when nefarian landed?

Sidesprang had included his 55k threat from the adds in phase 1 in his calculations.

Are you for fking real? Seriously stop lying and distorting the truth....

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=20825&start=150#p154932

That is the original post go fking read it, it CLEARLY states I substract the 55k threat from p1....

Substract or not = You End up At 258 k

If you even Substract 55k Threats

203000 Threats. Divide into 6 Minutes (563 TPS) .

See now who have Lied.

Where is your 700TPS calculations?!.

[sidesprang]

It's all there in the spreadsheet, man this shit was even discussed in TP warrior chat you fell asleep in class bro? :O

FYI, a feral druid is easily over 800 TPS if someone is keeping 5/5 sunder up. ~650 TPS with only faerie fire and curse of recklessness. Oh and that's in pre-raid gear.

Its not, we had a feral druid and we tested it, they came out to around 80% TPS of a warrior fully buffed and shit. They do however have really nice burst with that gnomer mace.

[sidesprang]

If you don't even trust my Math - See the Log even:

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 46&Fight=7


20% of my dmg is white hits = 22659 = 22659 threat
80% of my dmg is holy = 90638 + RF 81574 = 172212 threat

194871 Threats as Offtank overall fight.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 6407_o.jpg


See how much mistaken i would be ? (probably with 3-4k threats for overall fight due mistake calculation on white swings or different timers) .

You would even Deny This now?!.

The realm players link includes phase 1 where you were consecrating and hitting multiple targets so the damage values aren't valid for a single target. Did you reset KTM when nefarian landed?

Sidesprang had included his 55k threat from the adds in phase 1 in his calculations.

Are you for fking real? Seriously stop lying and distorting the truth....

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=20825&start=150#p154932

That is the original post go fking read it, it CLEARLY states I substract the 55k threat from p1....

Substract or not = You End up At 258 k

If you even Substract 55k Threats

203000 Threats. Divide into 6 Minutes (563 TPS) .

See now who have Lied.

Yep you are braindead confirmed, read the post and find out why I stop after 95 seconds.