What are the best classes & specs for each different role?

[Handlock]

Just let them live in their own world and continue to think they've discovered some genius secret that nobody else knew about, making paladin the best tank. Maybe they'll get a Nobel prize. Whatever the case, they're gonna continue to invent increasingly ridiculous fictional scenarios where paladins are awesome, insult you until you give up trying to talk to them, and then they'll declare themselves the winners.

[Theloras]

they're gonna continue to invent increasingly ridiculous fictional scenarios where paladins are awesome, insult you until you give up trying to talk to them, and then they'll declare themselves the winners.

lolwut?

Lemme guess, you have never actually played a Paladin in Vanilla like the rest of the trolls in this thread?

[Undertanker]

A warrior only needs to do 50% more white damage than you to output more aggro with his auto than the Paladin with his seal....

Wtf is this shit. So you put icing on the cake here. You have no clue how a warriors threat works in this game either with this comment.

Explain it to me, I need a good Friday laugh. Not like I have not had a.good.enough one already when you tclearly know nothing about neither class yet, you believe you can throw shit (your ideas) on a wall and.expect it.to stick.

Thrash blade? Iron foe? Really? We are going with a small proc.chance on physical only moves as.our solution to threat for another.RF?

Because having 70+ more SP on EVERY ability was a dumb idea??? This game is.math and positioning, let us hope you can at least stand in the right spot, because you clearly can not.do the former.

Every tank that is warrior gets loot first is your last tryhard. We DE tank loot. I am MT and passed on first T2.bracer ...... OMG how can I tank....

We (me and.the.other two pallies) have many times answered your questions, corrected your incorrect information, and done our best to properly educated you and the people.who.come.here for.knowledge.

You can continue to be ignorant and narrow minded and God awful at math, just keep this shit.to yourself.

I am done here.

[Aethelwulf]

A warrior only needs to do 50% more white damage than you to output more aggro with his auto than the Paladin with his seal....

Wtf is this shit. So you put icing on the cake here. You have no clue how a warriors threat works in this game either with this comment.

Explain it to me, I need a good Friday laugh. Not like I have not had a.good.enough one already when you tclearly know nothing about neither class yet, you believe you can throw shit (your ideas) on a wall and.expect it.to stick.

Okay. Prot stance = 1.3x threat. 5/5 Defiance talent = 1.15x threat. 1.3 * 1.15 = 1.495x threat. If your Paladin has a holy damage bonus equal to 50% of his white damage, with RF it becomes 195% threat (relative to his white damage) per swing. If a warrior just has 150% of the Paladin's white damage, he exerts 224.25% the threat of a Paladin's white damage or 15% more threat than the Paladin overall. Next.

Thrash blade? Iron foe? Really? We are going with a small proc.chance on physical only moves as.our solution to threat for another.RF?

Because having 70+ more SP on EVERY ability was a dumb idea??? This game is.math and positioning, let us hope you can at least stand in the right spot, because you clearly can not.do the former.

Ironfoe has roughly a 15% procrate and procs two extra swings each time. In essence it's as if your Seal of Righteousness did 30% more damage. Your 70 spelldmg translates into +7 dmg per swing on Seal of Righteousness. 7 / .3 = 23.33... In essence, if your Seal of Righteousness does at least 24 holy damage, Ironfoe gives you more holy dps from auto than your 70 spelldamage weapon. Even if the procrate were 10%, it would just take a 35 dmg Seal of Righteousness for Ironfoe to be superior. You also get some extra white damage I haven't counted. Thrash Blade, now that I've looked it up, appears to have around a 4% proc rate for 1 bonus swing so we can ditch that one.

So there's your math. Ironfoe is a godly weapon.

Every tank that is warrior gets loot first is your last tryhard. We DE tank loot. I am MT and passed on first T2.bracer ...... OMG how can I tank....

We (me and.the.other two pallies) have many times answered your questions, corrected your incorrect information, and done our best to properly educated you and the people.who.come.here for.knowledge.

So in other words, your tanks already have their tank gear and now that it's on DE status, the Paladins can pick it up. Thank you for proving my point. (IIRC, you are playing a Warrior MT, no?)

I am done here.

Yes, you are.

[Theloras]

We (me and.the.other two pallies) have many times answered your questions, corrected your incorrect information, and done our best to properly educated you and the people.who.come.here for.knowledge.

You can continue to be ignorant and narrow minded and God awful at math, just keep this shit.to yourself.

I am done here.

@Aethelwulf and the other forum trolls here...

Listen to the Undertanker for he speaks the truth!

- edit -

Caspus wrote:
True but you have to fight every warrior in the game to get gear from BWL and AQ40, its basically pulling teeth. I'm just pointing out that comparing getting tank gear to warriors, its a lot longer for paladins to keep up. Not saying its not there.


That is the common misperception but DKP settles that argument along with Warrior T2 set bonuses - especially for offset items in AQ40:

Boots of the Unwavering Will
Binds when picked up
Feet Plate
647 Armor
+29 Stamina
+12 Strength
+8 Agility
Durability 75 / 75
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +5.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21706

Pauldrons of the Unrelenting
Binds when picked up
Shoulder Plate
650 Armor
+30 Stamina
+11 Strength
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +9.
Equip: Increases your chance to dodge an attack by 1%.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21639

For example, none of the tanks in the guilds I ran with on Peenix wanted to break their set bonuses for these offset items therefore they went to me without any fuss or argument from anyone in the guild.
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 30#p151244

[Aethelwulf]

Disagreement = trolling now? Since trolling is fishing for a reaction, what I can surmise is that you are easily provoked by disagreement for my behavior to constitute trolling from your perspective. That says something about your state of mind.

[smilkovpetko]

by Aethelwulf » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:26 pm

If your Paladin has a holy damage bonus equal to 50% of his white damage, with RF it becomes 195% threat (relative to his white damage) per swing.

If a warrior just has 150% of the Paladin's white damage], he exerts 224.25% the threat of a Paladin's white damage or 15% more threat than the Paladin overall.

Guys make yourself more favor and read what this person talk and his math based on ? what game first of all he play ?!. WoW or LoL ?

by Aethelwulf » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:26 pm

Your 70 spelldmg translates into +7 dmg per swing on Seal of Righteousness. 7 / .3 = 23.33...

So there's your math. Ironfoe is a godly weapon.

But he forgot that we have judgement of righteousness , judgement of crusade , holy shield, consecration , exorcism , holy wrath , hammer of wraith .

Tell us more about Paladins Aethelwulf , i'd love to see how far you would go with idiocracy based on 0 knowledge about both Paladins and Warriors.

[Aethelwulf]

Ignoring the completely vapid shit.

But he forgot that we have judgement of righteousness , judgement of crusade , holy shield, consecration , exorcism , holy wrath , hammer of wraith .

Tell us more about Paladins Aethelwulf , i'd love to see how far you would go with idiocracy based on 0 knowledge about both Paladins and Warriors.

Oh? But I thought your tank Paladin went...

Strongest Spell Damage Weapon + spell damage enchant + spell damage elixir + spell damage oil - Judge of Crusade - Seal of Righteousness = drink coffee until the end of the fight , you do 3 times more threats than warrior .

All these spells didn't appear last time when we were discussing the mana problem. But now that we are discussing spell damage and threat comparisons suddenly all these extra spells appear to help your case.

[smilkovpetko]

Ignoring the completely vapid shit.

But he forgot that we have judgement of righteousness , judgement of crusade , holy shield, consecration , exorcism , holy wrath , hammer of wraith .

Tell us more about Paladins Aethelwulf , i'd love to see how far you would go with idiocracy based on 0 knowledge about both Paladins and Warriors.

Oh? But I thought your tank Paladin went...

Strongest Spell Damage Weapon + spell damage enchant + spell damage elixir + spell damage oil - Judge of Crusade - Seal of Righteousness = drink coffee until the end of the fight , you do 3 times more threats than warrior .

All these spells didn't appear last time when we were discussing the mana problem. But now that we are discussing spell damage suddenly all these extra spells appear to help your case.

now tell me any reason why wouldn't i use the spell damage for the other extra spells to help my case if i need to taunt off something with my judgement or aoe during certain fights? or holy shield for more damage mitigation ?.

[Aethelwulf]

You were the one who declared all you need is Judgement of the Crusader and Seal of Righteousness to draw aggro while you drink coffee for the rest of the fight. Don't pin your own words on me. That's the pinnacle of stupidity.

But I can point this out: Abilities cost mana. The Paladin's mana is very limited. At the end of the day, I don't see you spamming all of these abilities you're pointing out now. You just can't afford it. Also Exorcism is undead/demon only.