What are the best classes & specs for each different role?

[smilkovpetko]

Avoidance in general can mean either miss+dodge+parry+block, or just miss+dodge+parry. Often what people care about is "hard" avoidance, because block is generally shitty. But blocks push crushes so....

And if you don't take raiding seriously then you can go with 20 warrior tanks called Particles because nobody would care.
That's been said now shut up before you talk more bullshits about protection paladin based on 0 knowledge and nonsense arguments about Game Mechanic ,Class Mechanic and Raid Boss Strategy/Abilities .

That was awesome.

Avoidance in general can mean either miss+dodge+parry and it is not Block.

Fixed for you.

Block is Damage Mitigation and has nothing to do with Uncrushable.

[Particles]

Lolwut

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Uncrushability
"In order to discover a tank's total combined avoidance, one adds together the following values:
The base chance to be Missed (5%)
The bonus chance to be Missed bestowed by Defense ( (Defense-350)*0.04%, shown in a tooltip when hovering over Defense on one's character sheet)
The Dodge chance
The Parry chance
The Block chance"

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=16057
"Shield Block
Increases your chance to block attacks by 75% for 5 seconds (1 charge), this will push crushing blow off of the attack table. "

If you don't understand how the attack table works, please read up before you try tanking theorycraft, as it's a pretty important part of stat comparisons.

[smilkovpetko]

Lolwut

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Uncrushability
"In order to discover a tank's total combined avoidance, one adds together the following values:
The base chance to be Missed (5%)
The bonus chance to be Missed bestowed by Defense ( (Defense-350)*0.04%, shown in a tooltip when hovering over Defense on one's character sheet)
The Dodge chance
The Parry chance
The Block chance"

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=16057
"Shield Block
Increases your chance to block attacks by 75% for 5 seconds (1 charge), this will push crushing blow off of the attack table. "

If you don't understand how the attack table works, please read up before you try tanking theorycraft, as it's a pretty important part of stat comparisons.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Uncrushability

Important Notes: As of 3.0, crushing blows mechanism have been changed. Now only mob four level higher than you can deal crushing blows. Therefore, uncrushability is irrelevant for raids in WotLK,TBC,Vanilla and the avoidance stats below are no longer necessary.

p.s even if it work with block and if i am wrong about "block" for example. - we can still /macro /sit to get Redoubt proc for an extra 30% block + Holy Shield Block = 60% Block Already Achieved 100% of the time

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Crushing_Blow

Paladins

Redoubt and Holy Shield together increase the block chance by 60% (30% each).

Now let me enlighten you that with 60% block we can easy like cake reach your "so called" immune to crushing blow.

p.s Note that Warriors does not gain "Rage" due to this so called Immune to Crushing Blow and will Possible Loose Aggro far easy .

Unlike Warriors Paladins are Gaining more Aggro with this.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Uncrushability

For Paladins, it is more difficult, as Holy Shield will add only 30% to this. (with exclusion of Redoubt)
However, if you know where to look for gear and which pieces of gear to use, it is not difficult to achieve uncrushability with only Holy Shield

Remember /macro /sit = 100% proc Redoubt.

Passive Uncrushability

A tank is "passively uncrushable" when he or she cannot be crushed, even when not using either Shield Block or Holy Shield.

This cannot be achieved in Vanilla.

Passive Uncrushability is especially helpful to warriors, as the two charges from Shield Block are eaten up very quickly in many situations.

It's less useful to paladins, as their four charges from Holy Shield are used up much more rarely during boss fight,

[smilkovpetko]

Since you trying to achieve Medal of talking bullshits about Paladins :

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=5668F94D

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=569A5CEF

Are Apparently Hardest Tank Hitting Bosses , and in the both screenshots you would notice that Paladin is Tanking the 2 Hardest "Tank" hitting Bosses.

All your "Hard Efforts" with whatever Theory you try to achieve is dying with those 2 Screenshots. If the Paladin can achieve this boss fights Tanking and Surviving . There is no need to explain anymore to Moron who is trashtalking about Paladin Tanks.

[Theloras]

I'm sorry, I don't know why I started this conversation with a troll that obviously has never MT'd a 40 man. Goodbye.

Particles, this made me quiet literally laugh out loud - you are simply no match for the Duki!

[Theloras]

Since you trying to achieve Medal of talking bullshits about Paladins :

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=5668F94D

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... e=569A5CEF

Are Apparently Hardest Tank Hitting Bosses , and in the both screenshots you would notice that Paladin is Tanking the 2 Hardest "Tank" hitting Bosses.

All your "Hard Efforts" with whatever Theory you try to achieve is dying with those 2 Screenshots. If the Paladin can achieve this boss fights Tanking and Surviving . There is no need to explain anymore to Moron who is trashtalking about Paladin Tanks.

Paladins can't tank - silly Duki!

[Vices]

TIL prot paladins are viable, better update recruitment status.

[Aethelwulf]

Okay, Cysthen video features wonders like aggro loss and going OOM as predicted. That Ossirian tanking was really splendid with how hard the "off-tank" warrior got aggro and then the video cut away before Cysthen ever managed to recover it like he claims. Cysthen does a really good job of not occupying the top spot on the threat meters in general and the only tanking where he doesn't lean on his "off-tank" so hard is AoE tanking. Also, Cysthen is a clicker, I see. And frankly even if you do manage to get a Paladin to tank a hard encounter, that doesn't make it a good idea. Shamans could tank C'Thun back in vanilla but that doesn't mean Shamans are good raid tanks either. And other examples with regards to Feenix tanking employing bugs such as buff stacking does not prove you have what it takes to tank under normal circumstances either.

Smilkovpetko's argument about using Redoubt (a proc on getting crit) with Holy Shield to try to obtain uncrushability while tanks stack +140 defense to become crit-immune is also amazing in the blatant incompetence it displays. I suppose his strategy for uncrushability involves hoping to crit himself with a Demonic Rune?

Ultimately, no proper argument has been made at any stage for how a Paladin will either out-aggro or out-mitigate a Warrior tanking, relegating Paladins firmly to subpar tanks at best which owing to competition with Warriors for tanking gear will mean that Paladins will never get any real advancement as a tank, being a novelty tank at best. At least Druid tanks have the benefit of not competing with maintanks for most tanking loot. And no amount of cheerleading, LOLing, and other inanities by Theloras will improve the lack of decent argument and if anything only showcases him for a dunce.

[smilkovpetko]

Cysthen does a really good job of not occupying the top spot on the threat meters in general

most important to know about Cysthen and his aggro is that he doesn't use spell damage passive , he does only for aoe which is way lower aggro than it should do. (he doesnt even use 100+) spell damage.

If he was using spell damage weapon he would been 3 times higher on threat.

Shamans could tank C'Thun back in vanilla

Hahahahahaha

. And other examples with regards to Feenix tanking employing bugs such as buff stacking

Define which buffs are stacking and should not stacking ?!.

Smilkovpetko's argument about using [i]Redoubt (a proc on getting crit) with Holy Shield to try to obtain uncrushability while tanks stack +140 defense to become crit-immune[/i]

/macro /sit = 100% procrate Redoubt.

[Aethelwulf]

You and your perpetual "3 times higher" nonsense. Math it out or shut up already.

As for the Shaman tank, back in the day someone made a video of tanking C'Thun as a Shaman. Props to him but that doesn't make it a remotely good idea. I suppose by your standards it means evidence Shamans should raid tank though.