Nostalrius Begins - Quality wow vanilla realm (1.12)

I'm refering to DPS/ HEAL/ TANK (for raiding)

All in your opinion, of course.

Hunter easiest to level, followed by warlock. Warrior best at tanking (duh), priest best at healing, rogue/fury warrior best dps in MC/BWL, mage/warlock best dps in AQ/Naxx.

Ghostly wrote:Hunter easiest to level, followed by warlock. Warrior best at tanking (duh), priest best at healing, rogue/fury warrior best dps in MC/BWL, mage/warlock best dps in AQ/Naxx.

What about paladin for tank?

CecilJohn wrote:What about paladin for tank?

No. In vanilla, the only class capable of tanking is warrior. Druids can do it in lower tiers, but it's still a handicap. Paladin doesnt even have a taunt.

Ignore Ghostly. Because they dont have a taunt? Druid not a healer then cause no standard res.

Please allow people to gather the correct information they seek before your plague of opinion infects others.

Pally are a very capable tank, though current version of deathbone set makes it hard to reach def cap. It is not needed with the tanking role a pally will serve best at. AOE tanking.

Most aoe tanking packs are level 59-61 so the def you do have will be more than enough. They make MC imps, bwl suppression room and goblin packs very and nef adds very easy. AQ 40 frankis adds and gauntlet. Naxx spiders, adds to tank pre decimate, and a few other key fight machanics that 3 warriors would.not be as good as 1 damage reflect aoe pally tank.

With select def items from all raids and help of quel proc, a pally should.be.able to.get def capped or close to it. Many bosses cant be taunted so the.no taunt = no tank is stupid. They are amazing secondary threat tanks because they do not need to take damage to get resources to build threat.

On many bosses you do can taunt, as a warrior mt i dont use taunt anyways. Any fight that could use a swap like goleman for 1 swap, have pally tank first, problem solved.

Bears have high hp low def. Bear is best against bosses that to primary spell.damage or that CC the MT.

Undertanker wrote:Ignore Ghostly. Because they dont have a taunt? Druid not a healer then cause no standard res.

Please allow people to gather the correct information they seek before your plague of opinion infects others.

Pally are a very capable tank, though current version of deathbone set makes it hard to reach def cap. It is not needed with the tanking role a pally will serve best at. AOE tanking.

Most aoe tanking packs are level 59-61 so the def you do have will be more than enough. They make MC imps, bwl suppression room and goblin packs very and nef adds very easy. AQ 40 frankis adds and gauntlet. Naxx spiders, adds to tank pre decimate, and a few other key fight machanics that 3 warriors would.not be as good as 1 damage reflect aoe pally tank.

With select def items from all raids and help of quel proc, a pally should.be.able to.get def capped or close to it. Many bosses cant be taunted so the.no taunt = no tank is stupid. They are amazing secondary threat tanks because they do not need to take damage to get resources to build threat.

On many bosses you do can taunt, as a warrior mt i dont use taunt anyways. Any fight that could use a swap like goleman for 1 swap, have pally tank first, problem solved.

Bears have high hp low def. Bear is best against bosses that to primary spell.damage or that CC the MT.

Wow, I didn't know that. I already rolled a tauren warrior though, but thanks

Ghostly wrote:

CecilJohn wrote:What about paladin for tank?

No. In vanilla, the only class capable of tanking is warrior. Druids can do it in lower tiers, but it's still a handicap. Paladin doesnt even have a taunt.

This literally made me /lol so loud that my wife came out from the bedroom to ask, "What was so funny?"

What irritates me is somebody made a class decision based off garbage advice.

@Ghostly

First off, 75% of the raid bosses are immune to taunt to begin with...

And secondly, both Challenging Shout and Taunt can and do miss since they are actually considered spells and thus require +Spell Hit to work properly which is why Warrior Tier 3 Dreadnaught armour has the following set bonus:

4 pieces: Improves your chance to hit with Taunt and Challenging Shout by 5%.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?itemset=523

And warriors would use this trinket in combination with the T3 Dreadnaught set bonus in order to 100% make sure that taunt would work in the Four Horsemen fight:

Nat Pagle's Broken Reel
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 60
Use: Increases the chance to hit with spells by 10% for 15 sec. (cooldown 1.25 min)

By valkyr on 11/25/2006 (Patch 1.12.2)
Makes Four Horsemen a joke. 4 piece Dreadnaught takes spell resist chance down to 11%, so with this you have a 1% chance to resist taunt.

The cooldown is only 1.25 minutes, so by the time the tank has to get to the next station, its cooldown is up. The fight is certainly possible to do without it, just makes learning/executing the transitions a whole hell of a lot easier.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19947

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Taunt was a bad example. Paladins have no equivalent of sunder armor, which makes them damn unsuitable for MT'ing any serious boss. Offtanking? Maybe. But same paladin would be much more beneficial to raid by speccing holy and spamming heals/blessings, and that's what 90% of you pally boys are going to do in raid content.

Also, @Theloras, I fail to see how are Taunt and spell hit relevant to the topic. Sure, it's a thing, and it can fuck you over bad at 4HM because of how unforgiving the fight is. But then again, it's the fight you need 8 actually geared tanks for. So it is kinda crazy overall.