[WOD] Blackhand down in 3 min - Heroic Mode

[Shiggs13]

normal < Heroic< MYTHIC in WoD

normal = RDF like difficulty
Heroic = Normal difficulty
Mythic = Heroic difficulty

Heroic in 3 minutes is not surprising as it is only of normal difficulty. 3 minutes in mythic difficulty is another story entirely.

[armwvingtoobman]

Well if your raid is 20ilevel higher than what the tier is and you go with 8 dps 1 healer 1 tank it's not that suprising.

Yeah, Blackhand is actually super hard. Mythic Blackhand's been out for months and hasn't died yet on my server - in other words, no guild on my server has fully progressed through current content after months. I think less than a hundred NA guilds have, with formerly prominent top guild Blood Legion basically having given up(partly according to some of their roster getting lives, according to them, but still). The consensus is that Blackhand is FUCKING hard, because he is. There might not be organizational and luck based issues like with fourty man, or inconveniences like trash and atunement quests, but the boss mechanics themselves are very hard in retail wow, at least if you actually try to fully progress and don't just lfr the content.

My brothers guild is top on the server and they have heroic blackhand on farm, which is easy with a higher tier of gear, but they still haven't killed him on mythic. They're getting really frustrated. Shit's hard.

[Gazpy]

Well if your raid is 20ilevel higher than what the tier is and you go with 8 dps 1 healer 1 tank it's not that suprising.

Yeah, Blackhand is actually super hard. Mythic Blackhand's been out for months and hasn't died yet on my server - in other words, no guild on my server has fully progressed through current content after months. I think less than a hundred NA guilds have, with formerly prominent top guild Blood Legion basically having given up(partly according to some of their roster getting lives, according to them, but still). The consensus is that Blackhand is FUCKING hard, because he is. There might not be organizational and luck based issues like with fourty man, or inconveniences like trash and atunement quests, but the boss mechanics themselves are very hard in retail wow, at least if you actually try to fully progress and don't just lfr the content.

My brothers guild is top on the server and they have heroic blackhand on farm, which is easy with a higher tier of gear, but they still haven't killed him on mythic. They're getting really frustrated. Shit's hard.

no reason to argue with those Free server plebs, they never or haven't played recent game(M not any LFR trololoship) and they are actually thinking it's easy,(well you don't have to do it, heck yea it looks easy enough!) they are just full of shit. Vanilla has it's magic elsewhere then supercomplicated fights, that's why I'm playing here.

[Tyumbra]

Well if your raid is 20ilevel higher than what the tier is and you go with 8 dps 1 healer 1 tank it's not that suprising.

Yeah, Blackhand is actually super hard. Mythic Blackhand's been out for months and hasn't died yet on my server - in other words, no guild on my server has fully progressed through current content after months. I think less than a hundred NA guilds have, with formerly prominent top guild Blood Legion basically having given up(partly according to some of their roster getting lives, according to them, but still). The consensus is that Blackhand is FUCKING hard, because he is. There might not be organizational and luck based issues like with fourty man, or inconveniences like trash and atunement quests, but the boss mechanics themselves are very hard in retail wow, at least if you actually try to fully progress and don't just lfr the content.

My brothers guild is top on the server and they have heroic blackhand on farm, which is easy with a higher tier of gear, but they still haven't killed him on mythic. They're getting really frustrated. Shit's hard.

no reason to argue with those Free server plebs, they never or haven't played recent game(M not any LFR trololoship) and they are actually thinking it's easy,(well you don't have to do it, heck yea it looks easy enough!) they are just full of shit. Vanilla has it's magic elsewhere then supercomplicated fights, that's why I'm playing here.

Except the content has absolutely gotten easier over time, but it's a "different" kind of "easy".

10 years ago you had to have 40 people coordinated enough to understand boss fight mechanics. Some of them were "tank-n-spank", others had interesting mechanics (Luci was really hard until Decursive was made, Geddon, Shaz), and others still required the person to know what the optimal DPS build/rotation was (Vael/Brutalis) in order to proceed. Some fights were as much a gear-check as they were a skill-check (C'thun, most of Naxx). And still required 40 people.

Trimming the raids down to 10/25 people made it exceptionally easier to coordinate people, but the BC mechanics were still brutal for people at times because again, there was a certain level of gear and skill required.

After Sunwell, the quality of the game has diminished significantly. Almost every fight in WOTLK was a joke; the entirety of the bosses up to ICC were straight-forward, the only difference is there would typically be some sort of raid-wide damage to make healers play catch-up. More talents and glyphs added in had no substance to them other than "this makes the fight easier". There's a reason subscriptions started to taper off around this point.

Come Cata and beyond, the game has just turned into dogshit. PvP is boring and uninteresting because every mechanic has turned into "tunnel X target until they die" with complete disregard for resources (remember when mana used to be important?). Raiding is boring and uninteresting because the fights aren't even challenging in a mechanical aspect; contrary to belief, making the raid take a ton of unstoppable damage doesn't make the fight hard, it just means the designers are lazy.

[Gazpy]

Tank swaps and healer pressure is unoriginal in a battles tho it makes some of them more Gear checky as you could say, Vael was a gearcheck nothing else aswell. but the mechanic don't stand in front of him and praise the gods to not be chosen by RNGesus for being a bomb is not a skill check, dps rotation in vanilla and BC is laughable, really if you can't dps at least on 75% what your class can do why bother even playing.

Shifting players from caring about mana is dogshit, mana was crucial always you had to think about if you exchange some gear that had /haste or crit or mp5, now it's like, erm mana is there because is there. (unless you are Arcane mage, Destro/demo lock, or lovely Shadow priest you can never run oom)

Pvp actually requires more skill than getting a disco priest or resto druid in 2v2, yes some classes are still bullshit (/wave DK and Hunters) and some are still underperforming in every aspect and blizz is like it's ok(RiP shadow priests)

1 boss in MoP requires a raider to focus like erm you never had until then? not just yo random dmg unavoidable, but random dmg avoidable,(yes I know RNGesus must be praised enough for Lei-shen to choose a class with movement to push off the platform, but you got only 6 of these each intermezzo)

Positioning still remained as a big thing that's good as well and 40 players, man that's just too much nerves being lost as you always have at least 1 person that is doing some 'funny' stuff.

Then to come to ppl that are oblivious of vanilla and go paladin because Arthas! me dps me drink everyfucking pack doing horseshit dmg anyways! Yey! RL said me to go holy or else I'm useless! I will prove him wrong, pop 200 dps paladin in BWL(with infinite mana) vs one of the best healers ingame. Now you can do anything with paladin without ppl telling you your offspec is just a dump of gear.

Game evolved into another, nothing can stay to same, some will come to find the
same taste some won't. This topic is just random bashing with ppl that have another opinion, tho I will not accept an opinion based of only observing, unless you haven't played it you should not have a word on it. Same with non doctors that would tell you what illness you have, that's how I feel about those ppl oblivious to the core but loud mouthed.

Btw to your Hard point, I never used decursive on paladin and still I cleared a lot of shit on vanilla, BC and WotLK. it's not hard, it's just ppl not focusing or thinking this is a game you can play and do something else.