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World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:37 pm
by ganjitsu
Since world chat is controlled by a random person there is abuse of power. No one who plays on the server should be excluded from the community because of an immature channel owner.

World chat is used by almost every player on the server to buy and sell items, find groups, and chat. It's private server tradition for everyone to use a global channel called 'world'.
The current system of having it controlled by some random person is makes absolutely no sense.
World chat owner is a position of power on the server. Giving it to a random person for absolutely no reason is stupid. It ensures the power will be abused.
Saying world chat is a "private channel" and doing nothing to protect it doesn't change the fact that everyone uses it. Since everyone uses it there is a responsibility to maintain it with fairness. The server staff are denying this responsibility for no reason.

Words are flexible, because they represent the most mutable of all things, ideas. They change meaning in various contexts, and they absorb context into their meaning in the minds of those who use them and interpret them.
They can mean whatever the speaker or the listener want them to mean. The understanding is for the speaker and the listener to hammer out. This is vital to the process of communication.
There is often difficulty in this process when it is between only two people. In such difficult situations, any third party that advocates for one side or the other is likely to disrupt the process of coming to an understanding. To be constructive, a third party should instead mediate between the two points of view.
Any institution that tries to intervene in this process of communication by asserting that one point of view is correct is certainly malicious because it attempts to take the process out of the control of both the speaker and listener.
It attempts to remove the speaker's right to assert the meaning he intends, and it attempts to remove the listener's right to decide what the motives of the speaker are.
This is a grievous destruction of freedom.

People have been going on about "hate speech" and other reasons why people should be banned from public channels and from the server for saying things in whispers and group chats.

"Hate speech" is a DANGEROUS idea that everyone with a brain should be fighting with tooth and nail.
It is used by authorities to whitewash people's thoughts and words. It is an insidious enemy to freedom.
There is nothing wrong with having a general opinion about a group of people based on race, religion, or anything else.
Race and religion are complex traits of person, and there are myriad other traits that are associated with these other than "the color of a person's skin" or "what day they go to church".
It's absolutely fair to have an opinion on any of these traits and it's absolutely necessary that people to not face systematic discrimination for having or expressing a negative opinion on anything at all.

THERE MUST NEVER BE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH, REGARDLESS OF THE FEELINGS OF SOME PEOPLE

Any authority that tries to limit a person's speech has revealed itself to be evil. It destroys the freedom of the speaker and steals freedom from those hearing the speaker. The power to judge a speaker should ALWAYS lie with the listeners. Systematic judgement of self-expression steals power from the people and is an insidious threat to the freedom of all. Doing so takes the power of the speaker away to explain his meaning and takes the power of the listener away to decide the meaning of the speaker. It is a grievous injury to the freedom to all.
It is a statement that the people are too stupid or otherwise incapable of forming their own ideas and that they must be told what to do. It is a statement that what the people think does not matter and that for society to continue they must be told what to think.
This is a certain implication that society is acting against the people's interests.

Society in general believes that if they convince a majority of the population that "hate speech" is evil that they can justify silencing people who express themselves in this way, or DO WORSE TO THEM.

Everyone should realize that the freedom to express one's self is a prerequisite for the freedom to live one's life.


It important that people express their thoughts. This is a vital mechanism for obtaining new points of view of their ideas. People who express their thoughts get feedback that helps them determine the extent of the validity of their thoughts.
People should not be afraid to express any thought, because there is no thought that does not deserve to be examined. If a person thinks something honestly and can attribute reason to the thought in some detail, it is vital to show the person respect by responding to their thoughts in a reasoned manner. This is the only way to come to an understanding.
If you don't want to come to an understanding with a person, then why would you talk to them at all? To do so disrespects yourself as much as them, assuming you value your time somewhat.
Therefore to argue against a person while asserting no reason is insanity, for it is insane to disrespect one's self.
Arguing without reason is mindless self-indulgence. It is the spread irrationality. It is the spread of death. It should be dealt with in a harsh, reasoned manner.

Re: World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:39 pm
by nervous
Holy shit it's a private channel on an emulated server of a 11 year old game.

Re: World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:48 pm
by matt
nervous wrote:Holy shit it's a private channel on an emulated server of a 11 year old game.

this

i get banned from world chat literally every day simply because people don't like me. you've got to learn that shit happens and people are dicks. you'll be unbanned next reset/crash. no need to type a 5 paragraph essay on world chat, if it means that much to you just make a world chat alt for when you're banned.

Re: World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:51 pm
by Phaleg
You're either a really persistent troll or a goon.

Re: World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:06 pm
by Linc
World chat isn't a official channel. Only players own that channel. I don't even join that spam channel :D

Re: World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:34 pm
by ganjitsu
Linc wrote:World chat isn't a official channel. Only players own that channel. I don't even join that spam channel :D

Saying world chat is a "private channel" and doing nothing to protect it doesn't change the fact that everyone uses it. Since everyone uses it there is a responsibility to maintain it with fairness. The server staff are denying this responsibility for no reason.

Re: World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:37 pm
by ganjitsu
Phaleg wrote:You're either a really persistent troll or a goon.


You've added too many letters to your name. The L and the E are not necessary and the PH should be changed to an F

Re: World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:40 pm
by nervous
ganjitsu wrote:
Linc wrote:World chat isn't a official channel. Only players own that channel. I don't even join that spam channel :D

Saying world chat is a "private channel" and doing nothing to protect it doesn't change the fact that everyone uses it. Since everyone uses it there is a responsibility to maintain it with fairness. The server staff are denying this responsibility for no reason.


You want to find a group, use the looking for group channel that is impossible to moderate. You want to trade, use the trade channel in cities that is impossible to moderate. You want to shitpost your opinions on a channel that is player created, you have to deal with the player moderation. Don't like it? Then just shitpost in general chat, which is impossible to moderate

Re: World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:44 pm
by Phaleg
ganjitsu wrote:
Phaleg wrote:You're either a really persistent troll or a goon.


You've added too many letters to your name. The L and the E are not necessary and the PH should be changed to an F


I mean, thats not the nicest thing to say, but I guess you aren't wrong.

Whatever floats your boat dawg.

Re: World Chat and Freedom of Speech

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:47 pm
by ganjitsu
nervous wrote:
ganjitsu wrote:
Linc wrote:World chat isn't a official channel. Only players own that channel. I don't even join that spam channel :D

Saying world chat is a "private channel" and doing nothing to protect it doesn't change the fact that everyone uses it. Since everyone uses it there is a responsibility to maintain it with fairness. The server staff are denying this responsibility for no reason.


You want to find a group, use the looking for group channel that is impossible to moderate. You want to trade, use the trade channel in cities that is impossible to moderate. You want to shitpost your opinions on a channel that is player created, you have to deal with the player moderation. Don't like it? Then just shitpost in general chat, which is impossible to moderate


What exactly is your mental defect? Do you not understand that the majority of people want a universal channel? You have given no REASON why to deny them this. You have provided an alternative solution, but you have not given a REASON WHY IT IS THE SOLUTION WE SHOULD CHOOSE. Because no change has to be made? Because it's easier to put up with bullshit than to do something about it? Sorry but take your spineless stupidity some where else.

No matter what people are going to use the world channel. We might as well make it fair for everyone to use.