Current BiS Gear

Re: Current BiS Gear

by Ektelion » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:42 am

Undertanker wrote:30% faster speed is more of an increase on a slower weapon than a faster one. Though is is very small.

Example:

2.6 speed. 200 damage. Is 76.92 dps.

30% increase - we now have a 1.82 speed. Is 109.89 dps.

1.8 speed. 138 damage. Is 76.92 dps.

30% increase -we now hace a 1.26 speed. Is 109.52 dps.

We have a difference of 0.37 dps on the offhand.


What is comes down to is proc vs stats.


Another thing that needs to be looked into is swing timer off HoJ.
As I always tank I have not tested this, however other servers HoJ reset the swing timer of your main hand.

So if you had a faster OH, if the OH proced HoJ you would get a loss in dps due to your MH never getting a swing.

The goal to counter this is as a warrior is to have your OH and MH very close in speed to reduce the swing timer loss rate in these events.


errrrrr... you never get hoj extra attack hapening on your off hand.
if a hand of justice procs on your off hand it goes on your main hand, that's the only purpose a fast off hand would be very good.

extra attacks only happen to your main hand. offhand only triggers them for main hand.
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Re: Current BiS Gear

by vido » Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:57 am

Since this is a discussion about current BiS I have an actual list to add:

Head : Lionheart Helm
Neck: Onyxia Tooth pendant, prestor's is true BiS however any serious guild will never give it to a warrior
Shoulder: Champion's plate shoulders
Chest: Legionnaire's plate hauberk
Cloak: Cloak of draconic might
Bracer: Bracers of trueflight (wristgaurds of stability without world buffs)
Ranged: Striker's Mark
Gloves: Edgemaster's handguards + Flameguard gauntlets for razorgore, domo i.e. mobs below lvl63 (General's plate gauntlets above flameguard for single target hamstring spam, the +20 stamina set bonus is also very good)
Belt: Onslaught Girdle
Legs: General's plate leggings
boots: Chromatic boots
ring 1: Quick Strike ring
ring 2: Master Dragonslayer's ring
trinket 1: Drake Fang Talisman
trinket 2: Hand of Justice

Weapons:
MH Orcs: HWL> Crul'shorukh > Deathbringer (if you execute swap then DB = Crul)
MH every other race: HWL >= Ironfoe (if it worked properly) > Vis'kag (apparently the proc is very good) > Chromatically Tempered Sword

OH Orcs: Felstriker > Crul'shorukh = HWL axe > CHT = Doom's Edge > Deathbringer = Brutality Blade > Flurry Axe (If the proc rate on flurry axe is atleast 4-5% it's on par with CHT)

OH human: Felstriker > HWL sword > Maladath > Brutality blade > CHT > Bonescraper

OH every other race: Felstriker > HWL dagger > Maladath > CHT > Brustality Blade > Bonescraper
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Re: Current BiS Gear

by Ektelion » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:46 am

vido wrote:Since this is a discussion about current BiS I have an actual list to add:

Head : Lionheart Helm
Neck: Onyxia Tooth pendant, prestor's is true BiS however any serious guild will never give it to a warrior
Shoulder: Champion's plate shoulders
Chest: Legionnaire's plate hauberk
Cloak: Cloak of draconic might
Bracer: Bracers of trueflight (wristgaurds of stability without world buffs)
Ranged: Striker's Mark
Gloves: Edgemaster's handguards + Flameguard gauntlets for razorgore, domo i.e. mobs below lvl63 (General's plate gauntlets above flameguard for single target hamstring spam, the +20 stamina set bonus is also very good)
Belt: Onslaught Girdle
Legs: General's plate leggings
boots: Chromatic boots
ring 1: Quick Strike ring
ring 2: Master Dragonslayer's ring
trinket 1: Drake Fang Talisman
trinket 2: Hand of Justice

Weapons:
MH Orcs: HWL> Crul'shorukh > Deathbringer (if you execute swap then DB = Crul)
MH every other race: HWL >= Ironfoe (if it worked properly) > Vis'kag (apparently the proc is very good) > Chromatically Tempered Sword

OH Orcs: Felstriker > Crul'shorukh = HWL axe > CHT = Doom's Edge > Deathbringer = Brutality Blade > Flurry Axe (If the proc rate on flurry axe is atleast 4-5% it's on par with CHT)

OH human: Felstriker > HWL sword > Maladath > Brutality blade > CHT > Bonescraper

OH every other race: Felstriker > HWL dagger > Maladath > CHT > Brustality Blade > Bonescraper


I like your list however, personally i would use some different items compared to what you linked here.

for example with all this hit gear i'd definitelly skip using trueflight bracers and use WSG ones, pure attack power scales with every single hit and crit, crit is overated with that gear aswell.

i am a human warrior who has Ironfoe CTS and Felstriker , i use CTS+Felstriker atm with Edgemater's on bosses, works out pretty well, though i am mising many vital items like ragnaros belt.
i would definitelly swap felstriker for maladath so i dont have to use edgemaster's anyday imo.
human war cts+maladath 309 skill, u got bis combo up to naxx. ironfoe is a close second really but you cant use edgemaster's with this.
for orcs i'd definitelly use crul+felstriker, really great combo together with edgemaster's
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Re: Current BiS Gear

by mastermoe4 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:03 pm

vido wrote:Why would you need hit to support a slow OH. Fast vs slow comes down to flurry uptime vs overpower procs. Fast OH should be strictly better, however the flurry bug on nost makes flurry uptime more valuable. Hamstring spam after WF fix makes this largely irrelevent though so fast should win out regardless of your other stats apart from weapon skill since it's the only thing affecting your chance to be dodged.


How is flurry bugged?
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Re: Current BiS Gear

by vido » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:05 pm

There is/was a bug that caused crits on the last charge of flurry to not proc flurry again. If you have high uptime on flurry through spamming hamstring in your rotation for example with fixed WF you can negate this. I'm not sure if it's fixed, couldn't be bothered to test it.
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Re: Current BiS Gear

by westlee » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:21 am

I'm sorry but I don't quite understand the reasoning behind using Maladath vs a fast OH.... I'm going to use Corehound Tooth with edgemasters vs Maladath with flameguard...

1% crit 20 ap 7 weapon skill vs 1% crit 54 ap 4 weapon skill, seems like a loser already for all races except HUMAN and even that is debatable. DPS isn't a huge difference, and when you account for the speed difference CHT is better. More HoJ and more Overpowers, steady rage > spikey rage. Maybe I'm missing something though, thoughts?

Note: Mainhand obviously makes a difference so I'm assuming both examples are using Chromatically Tempered... I also would agree that felstriker is better than CHT in most cases but I honestly don't know what the proc rate is for the crit buff.

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Re: Current BiS Gear

by vido » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:30 am

The proc rate for felstriker has been changed by devs many times apparently. Ive heard not too long ago that it's around 7%.

You are correct that edgemaster's with CHT is better.
I should've mentioned that I did all the calculations for the weapons without using edgemaster's.
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Re: Current BiS Gear

by Juddy » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:13 pm

This thread is funny : )
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Re: Current BiS Gear

by Gilnash » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:36 am

agreed
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Re: Current BiS Gear

by Charizard » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:43 am

we all know dagger warrior is the only viable build
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