Quel'Serrar or not?

[Undertanker]

Use Quel on 5 mans, swap to 1.3 dagger when you have excess rage to spam cleaves in 5 mans, swap backto quel when 1 mob left.

In raids, you should use your 1.3 on bosses/trash.

On a boss, after a large cushion if threat is obtained, you can swap to quel for the stam and the higj proc rate for 300 armor - approx 1% damage reduction, 13 def - approx 1.70% avoidance (combined dodge, parry, chance to be missed) plus the added block chance. And as I see in realmplayers a majority of tanks are not DEF capped, this helps with that.

[Heldunder]

not true. "ZOMG WEP SPEED = TPS " is whats wrong with most tanks. and these forums do nothing but perpetuate it.

Well, pulling threat on a fight like Vael as an OT with Quel'serrar from another tank using, say Alcor's Sunrazor, midfight before the said tank has died, should be impossible for a number of reasons.

#shieldblock

global cools.

[Heldunder]

Use Quel on 5 mans, swap to 1.3 dagger when you have excess rage to spam cleaves in 5 mans, swap backto quel when 1 mob left.

In raids, you should use your 1.3 on bosses/trash.

On a boss, after a large cushion if threat is obtained, you can swap to quel for the stam and the higj proc rate for 300 armor - approx 1% damage reduction, 13 def - approx 1.70% avoidance (combined dodge, parry, chance to be missed) plus the added block chance. And as I see in realmplayers a majority of tanks are not DEF capped, this helps with that.

def softcap on this realm seems like overkill, no one seems to notice any crushing blows over 420~ def.

and anyone ha ve any record of this?

[Undertanker]

Tell your fury warriors to watch HS spam with thier infinit executes. Your tank is using SB at the wrong time as well.


On a fight were threat is greater than all, and val only crushes for 2.3k, you should not shield block while shield slam and revenge are available. Use it after.

Also, just because somebody has a fast weapon, doesnt mean they are skilled enough to not miss a HS queue.

Dont matter how fast ur weapon is if you miss a queue and what hit instead, the need to keybind better.

[Undertanker]

Use Quel on 5 mans, swap to 1.3 dagger when you have excess rage to spam cleaves in 5 mans, swap backto quel when 1 mob left.

In raids, you should use your 1.3 on bosses/trash.

On a boss, after a large cushion if threat is obtained, you can swap to quel for the stam and the higj proc rate for 300 armor - approx 1% damage reduction, 13 def - approx 1.70% avoidance (combined dodge, parry, chance to be missed) plus the added block chance. And as I see in realmplayers a majority of tanks are not DEF capped, this helps with that.

def softcap on this realm seems like overkill, no one seems to notice any crushing blows over 420~ def.

and anyone ha ve any record of this?

...... you have no clue how these things work do you? 440 is def capped to make you not crittable. When Broodlord crits you with MS, you dead. Chromag, post 20percent enrage, gets frenzied and you know a crit will wreck you.

Crushing blows can happen, and are only avoided by having enough block+dodge+parry to not allow it to be on the hit table. Shield block prevents this, though if rage starved, you will not have it up always. Stuns, cant do anything and expect a series of crushing blows.

[Undertanker]

Dont highjack his thread, this is about quel and alcorz or a compareable.


If you want to imply incorrect information and want others to do the math, start a new thread.

[Heldunder]

Use Quel on 5 mans, swap to 1.3 dagger when you have excess rage to spam cleaves in 5 mans, swap backto quel when 1 mob left.

In raids, you should use your 1.3 on bosses/trash.

On a boss, after a large cushion if threat is obtained, you can swap to quel for the stam and the higj proc rate for 300 armor - approx 1% damage reduction, 13 def - approx 1.70% avoidance (combined dodge, parry, chance to be missed) plus the added block chance. And as I see in realmplayers a majority of tanks are not DEF capped, this helps with that.

def softcap on this realm seems like overkill, no one seems to notice any crushing blows over 420~ def.

and anyone ha ve any record of this?

...... you have no clue how these things work do you? 440 is def capped to make you not crittable. When Broodlord crits you with MS, you dead. Chromag, post 20percent enrage, gets frenzied and you know a crit will wreck you.

Crushing blows can happen, and are only avoided by having enough block+dodge+parry to not allow it to be on the hit table. Shield block prevents this, though if rage starved, you will not have it up always. Stuns, cant do anything and expect a series of crushing blows.

youre right, i mixed those two terms up, i happen to be typing at work, so i had them backwards.

i know the difference, and i was thinking the correct term, but typed the wrong word. lol

and to that point, with my current gear, if brood HITS ME without sw or last stand up, i die in one shot. so... also im talking among several tanks none of us have noticed a crit over 420~ def.


also, again quel is well worth it, and better than a lot of people on this forum make it out to be.

[Whiskra]

not true. "ZOMG WEP SPEED = TPS " is whats wrong with most tanks. and these forums do nothing but perpetuate it.

Well, pulling threat on a fight like Vael as an OT with Quel'serrar from another tank using, say Alcor's Sunrazor, midfight before the said tank has died, should be impossible for a number of reasons.

#shieldblock

global cools.

So just because the MT has to spend an extra GCD every 6 seconds for Shield Block, it means you as an OT can easily pull threat despite not having Revenge available to you unless you intentionally eat the cleaves? With a much lesser number of Heroic Strikes available to you as well?

All that said though, Quel'serrar certainly has its uses, at least for now. It's a good weapon for an OT because maximum TPS might not be in the best interest for an OT, but rather survivability, which it excels at. However, with the advent of Zul'Gurub, Bloodlord's Defender might replace Quel'serrar as the optimal survival weapon for tanks.

[JeeTee]

Shield block isn't on the GCD.

To the OP: Quel' Serrar is worth buying.

[Grave]

Shield block isn't on the GCD.

To the OP: Quel' Serrar is worth buying.

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