Help with Warrior build

[Storfan]

Speaking from a pure fury dps standpoint the people above have no clue what they are talking about. Here is the optimal spec for pure fury dps. It would be noted though that deep wounds might not be viable (yet) due to the 8 debuff slot limit:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LbhxbhbZVV0VgxoVo

- 2/2 in Overpower because you WILL stance-dance for this ability is a guaranteed critical strike and will give flurry-uptime. I suggest getting an addon called "overpower alert" because of this.

- 5/5 in tac mastery because of the above fact, you will be stance-dancing for Overpower.

- 2/3 in imp heroic strike as the other talents are more important. Heroic strike acts as your rage-dump ability
and you will only really be able to spam this in BWL-bis gear (or having Ironfoe). In AQ/Naxx gear you will be able to spec 3/3 heroic and never mind overpower because at that point your crit chance in raids will be high enough to sustain your flurry anyways.

- 2/2 in imp execute because it does make up a huge chunk of your DPS. Execute phase is very long on several important bosses like ragnaros, Vaelstrasz, Chromaggus, Nefarian and even without these fights its still superior to 2/2 imp zerk rage.

Now. Since we're currently in pre 1.4 -patch with only 8 debuff slots your raid-leader would most likely not want deep wounds on boss, in this case you'll want to spec like this:
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LG0xbZVVhVgxoio

The only point in the above talents I would consider optional would be the last 4/5 point of BS which you could put in Piercing howl for good trash utility.

Source: Played as fury thru MC/BWL, full TBC content and Full wotlk content and having tested alot of specs, weapon combinations, play-styles and done quite a bit of theory-crafting.

So I suppose that I'd want to do the arms tree and then work my way down the fury? And I would pretty much only use battle stance for charge and overpower, otherwise I'm in berserk correct?

My post focuses on Fury PvE raiding at 60, as does the spec I suggested. When lvling up it is of lesser importance. DualWield is pretty weak when lvling due to its harsh penalty and only raid gear, raid weapons and raid buffs make up for that fact really. if I were you I'd go all the way down fury tree to bloodthirst but never mind dualwield, get a good 2h instead as they are easier to find and with whirlwind axe that you can get at lvl30 will last you up to lvl45-50. Battlestance may be preferable when against single mobs because of overpower and berserk against several mobs when you get whirlwind ability. it should also be noted that stance-dancing for OverPower will be almost not worth (very situational) it until you get atleast 1/5 tactical master in arms tree witch should be at lvl46 with my 2h fury spec.

The reason arms is a worse alternative when lvling is that many points are spent in the tree on pvp utility that adds little to lvling/PvE, also at the lower tiers of Arms you get to choose a weapon specialization which also is terrible because when lvling you'll want to keep your weapon choices open if you get a new weapon and dont want to spend tons of money on respec.

Here's a good 2h fury spec for lvl10-40. I added 3/3 bloodcraze and 4/5 BS because bloodcraze may actually help you with downtime when lvling, or even save you but for PvE raiding its useless.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LZVV0NMxoVo

[Armilus]

Wait a few sunders.... Have you ever been in a 5 man or have a lvl partner as warrior?.

Taunt is a lil different back on Vanilla, it will catch highest aggro, so if you just do a single Shoot for small damage, your shammy friend is burst dps crasy, just taunt after he unloads and you have same threat, 1 single weapon hit ob heroic strike and you have far more aggro.

Best thing to do to stop thier snap aggro is charge, hamstring. Hamstring aggro is surprisingly good and wont consume a white hit. The mob will turn back to shammy with about 25% hp. 1 more white hit then execute.

Utilize mocking blow, and you should have min 2 points in tatical mastery, more is better. So you can swap to def stance, taunt and swap back to arms. Do not sunder when questing.

End game you do not need cruelty as well, as much as people believe damage = more aggro... You can hold aggro spamming sunder and revenge, the first which has no damage, the second is very weak. Put those points instead into damage mitigation.

Tanks are responsible for not just keeping aggro, but minimizing the damage we are taking during that time. Demo shouts, stance dance to thunderclap, disarm. And kite where applicable.(example SM Herod - can doa figure 8 on small stairs, jumping off before he gets to you over and over).

Yup, I agree with all of this but I would add that it's not exactly rare to have your taunt and your mocking blow get resisted. I've learned to avoid strategies that rely on taunt not being resisted.

[Storfan]

Wait a few sunders.... Have you ever been in a 5 man or have a lvl partner as warrior?.

Taunt is a lil different back on Vanilla, it will catch highest aggro, so if you just do a single Shoot for small damage, your shammy friend is burst dps crasy, just taunt after he unloads and you have same threat, 1 single weapon hit ob heroic strike and you have far more aggro.

Best thing to do to stop thier snap aggro is charge, hamstring. Hamstring aggro is surprisingly good and wont consume a white hit. The mob will turn back to shammy with about 25% hp. 1 more white hit then execute.

Utilize mocking blow, and you should have min 2 points in tatical mastery, more is better. So you can swap to def stance, taunt and swap back to arms. Do not sunder when questing.

End game you do not need cruelty as well, as much as people believe damage = more aggro... You can hold aggro spamming sunder and revenge, the first which has no damage, the second is very weak. Put those points instead into damage mitigation.

Tanks are responsible for not just keeping aggro, but minimizing the damage we are taking during that time. Demo shouts, stance dance to thunderclap, disarm. And kite where applicable.(example SM Herod - can doa figure 8 on small stairs, jumping off before he gets to you over and over).

Yup, I agree with all of this but I would add that it's not exactly rare to have your taunt and your mocking blow get resisted. I've learned to avoid strategies that rely on taunt not being resisted.

That's what AoE taunt is for:) And if all else fails, pop that gahzranka trinket!

[Goodtry]

The reason arms is a worse alternative when lvling is that many points are spent in the tree on pvp utility that adds little to lvling/PvE, also at the lower tiers of Arms you get to choose a weapon specialization which also is terrible because when lvling you'll want to keep your weapon choices open if you get a new weapon and dont want to spend tons of money on respec.

Here's a good 2h fury spec for lvl10-40. I added 3/3 bloodcraze and 4/5 BS because bloodcraze may actually help you with downtime when lvling, or even save you but for PvE raiding its useless.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LZVV0NMxoVo

By the time you get to axe spec, you'll be level 30 - perfect for whirlwind axe.

Practically everything you take in arms isn't utility, it's just damage. The only exception is stance dance, which is just great in general.

[Harasser]

it should also be noted that stance-dancing for OverPower will be almost not worth (very situational) it until you get atleast 1/5 tactical master in arms tree witch should be at lvl46 with my 2h fury spec.
The reason arms is a worse alternative when lvling is that many points are spent in the tree on pvp utility that adds little to lvling/PvE, also at the lower tiers of Arms you get to choose a weapon specialization which also is terrible because when lvling you'll want to keep your weapon choices open if you get a new weapon and dont want to spend tons of money on respec.

Here's a good 2h fury spec for lvl10-40. I added 3/3 bloodcraze and 4/5 BS because bloodcraze may actually help you with downtime when lvling, or even save you but for PvE raiding its useless.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LZVV0NMxoVo

By the time you get to axe spec, you'll be level 30 - perfect for whirlwind axe.

Practically everything you take in arms isn't utility, it's just damage. The only exception is stance dance, which is just great in general.

No going beyond 17 points in arms it's just dumb even if you play 2h. Fury has much more and much better dmg improvements, your statement can't be more wrong. Weapon spec and 2 handed spec are really bad compared to flurry and enrage and cruelty is 5% more crit just as axe spec.
But Storfan i need to say that going fury until 40 skipping that 17 vital points in arms is even more retarded, as a warrior you rely on overpower until you get ms/bt (lv 40 and you won't be able to use them much cause of 2h ragestarving), so improved overpower is a must if you don't want to white hit all the way. Whitout tactical master everything is gonna be a pain and painfully slow, you gonna have problems while tanking, you aren't gonna to be able to stancedance for ww properly when you get berserker stance and Impale is a really nice to have talent aswell.

Just stick to the builds i posted 99% of the ppl here don't have any clue about this game.

I would reccomend everyone to start whit: http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=1121 ... 05020302zq
and work the way up to : http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=1121 ... 50104c501v (if you have good gear blood craze can be an alternative to improved battle shout)
if you're dual wielding finish whit: http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=1121 ... 452501c51r (improved execute sucks for raiding but it's better than berserker rage for leveling/fast fights)
otherwise: http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=1121 ... 025012251r

[Goodtry]

By splitting trees you won't be able to get even one rank of flurry until level 52. Up until that point you're better off with MS, especially on a server where PvP is unavoidable.

[Harasser]

By splitting trees you won't be able to get even one rank of flurry until level 52. Up until that point you're better off with MS, especially on a server where PvP is unavoidable.

You'll better off whit piercing howl, enrage and deathwish than MS in pvp, especially at low levels where there isn't any proper healer around and killing quicker is way more important than applying a debuff that may be helpfull but most of the times is useless.
Besides that, in pve you are way faster and safer splitting trees because arms got a fucking crappy dmg/rage generation, it's not really about flurry...