Why isn't dual wield Fury the best leveling spec?

[Brion]

Flurry is consumed faster with dual wield, and more is spent on "useless" OH attacks when you use a fast OH.

Yes however you get a lot more flurries using DW and that makes up for spending it on fast attacks. Flurry is more effective for DW at low crit.

1. Overpower is main ability up to lvl 40
2. Mortal Strike is main abilitty at lvl 40+

Overpower+MS+(19% to hit)+Itemization(twice easy to get 1 good weapon than 2)

Arms is your best way to lvl up.

Imp Overpower
Imp 2H
Deep Wounds(they are op during lvling, since most times dot will deal ALL dmg 12sec)
Sword/Axe spec
Sweeeeping strikes!
Much powerfull Retaliation than dual wield
Mortal Strike.


5% to crit, imp BS, Enrage, DW and even Flurry/BT cant compensate it.

All of those early arms talents are way worse than flat 5% crit and flat 25% damage increase from enrage.

If you talk about overpower, realise that DW hits three times as much as 2H and gets 3 times as much overpowers.

Sweeping strikes are the only thing you really gain from arms.

How much more damage Mortal strike even does compared to BT assuming good gear ? Difference is not that huge.

Arms is a gimped leveling spec that i can see only used in PvP and even then its 40+ and i think thats given, im talking DW fury vs 2H fury.

Only levels to go 2H in my opion after research are 30-36 if you get your ww weapon right at 30 since there are no clear one hand replacements for that.

You also get weapon specialization. Since most good 2H weapons in the 30-59 range are axes or polearms, that's 5% crit. With Cruelty being so low in Fury, you can get both for 10% from talents by level 45. I switched to 2H fury from arms at level 40 (currently 41.5) and the difference feels like a minor gain for grinding/questing. If I get my hands on 2 decent 1-handers, I'll try DW as on paper it looks much better, but chasing down gear that becomes obsolete easily isn't really worth the gain.

[mastermoe4]

You are forgetting about deathwish and more importantly enrage. You want to get enrage asap mobs will crit you a lot while lvling and it will save your life many times. 2hand fury is the way to go. You hit harder and you miss less.

[Chillout]

Or sit down for enrage.

[Amkô]

True, i also dont think difference is that big and that it is largely dependant on weapons you can get as a blue 2H will always (maybe always) outperform green one-hands. I find it hard to believe that IBS outperforms weps that are actually useful at 60 though. (im planning on using Krol blade + thrashblade with crusaders 51+ till im pre-raid bis since i hate av)

Personal preference and PvP are valid reasons to go arms though, i agree. However currently my lowbie 20-26 warr using two blue weps is recking mobs left and right and is honestly best leveling experience iv had (im talking double/triple pulls in duskwood + adds > bandage and keep going. > faster than hunters/rogues/warlocks whoever and no mana breaks)

Yeah sure, the only reason I bought the two axes was, to raid with them at 60.

But without hit-gear, IBS is outperforming them.
At least it feels like it is outperforming them.

I did not test it like a theorycrafter

But the 900+ MS crits while leveling in EPL for example were just awesome.
Bloodthirst crits with lvl54-55 (+enrage) were about 500 with my gear.

But when I get my lionheart helmet, and the mail gloves from the first Onyxia-Pre-Quests (2 hit) I will play fury again (If I don't decide to play pvp only) of course.
As orc with this two fine axes, nothing "bad" can happen.

Will still have just 5% hit, but a nice start tho!

[Irachkom]

You're wrong!
+parry, +50% crit to overpower, deep wounds, +5% dmg, Sword/axe spec,Sweepings are alot more better than +5% crit, imp BS, Enrage, DW.
You also need less hit and there is alot more good 2H than 1H up to mara.

Even with BT and flurry Arms will be better for lvling than Fury(doesnt matter is that 1H fury or 2H).
Fury is lvl60 PvE spec only, when you got AP and Hit/Crit.

Since w/o hit you cant build rageregen=no dps
w/o crit you cant get flurry uptime
w/o AP your BT sucks hard compaired to MS

[Overtime]

I think we can agree that no matter the weapon or talents, warrior leveling is awful.

Discussion should be on how many damn potions you need.

[Amkô]

I think we can agree that no matter the weapon or talents, warrior leveling is awful.

Discussion should be on how many damn potions you need.

Correctly.

While I was leveling and when I saw some mages, hunters, warlocks, S-priests, how they level. I felt like shit ^^

So be happy when you hit 60 and that's it XD

[Brion]

I think we can agree that no matter the weapon or talents, warrior leveling is awful.

Discussion should be on how many damn potions you need.

It's not nearly as bad as I remember, but I keep myself paced so that I'm always fighting mobs 3+ levels lower than me. It probably makes for slower leveling overall since I change zones a lot and rely on rested to cover when quests are running thin (I only play a few hours a week anyway), but it's been pretty decent since level 30 or so.

[Alkor]

Having leveled as Fury, then swapped 3 times to Arms back and forth, I can safely say : go with Arms 1st. I know the 5% crit from Fury is insanely tempting, but ignore it until later.Stance Mastery+Overpower is simply far too good to pass up.Not to mention the very comfortable stance dance during low level dungeons.

[Heldunder]

its amazing to me how wrong people can be in the face of numbers and an overwelming consensus. fury is better. hands down. arms is too slow, period.