Warrior is useless

[Aten]

Logic is a method used to analyze arguments. "Your logic" makes absolutely no sense. There is no "your logic" or "my logic" there is only one logic and it is used to PROVE the validity of an argument.

"Logic dictates" is even more useless. If logic did dictate something, you would be able to show the proof. If you can't show the proof then you have no idea if "logic dictates". So either you are correct but too lazy to state your argument (in which case, why are you trying to participate in an argument?) OR you have no idea if what you are saying is true or not but taking a shot in the dark and hoping that someone else will bother to think about why it might be correct. In effect, saying "Logic dictates" basically means you are talking out of your ass (which is the same thing you accused someone else of doing while saying it).

Oh and btw, you can't "use logic" to compare apples and oranges; however, you can use logic to prove that apples and oranges are not the same thing.

tl;dr: Please stop using the word logic, you have no idea what it means.

Hmmm. It seems fairly logical to me that if you expend energy doing something but don't get the desired result you shouldn't get the energy back; you performed the action either way. For example, if I spend x amount of energy running but don't see the desired resultin my body, I don't get a portion of that energy back.

Perhaps I am wrong and you are right. The point of my original post was to say that warriors are far from useless or broken. If people feel that way they need to step their game up in a major way

[Koett]

Logic is a method used to analyze arguments. "Your logic" makes absolutely no sense. There is no "your logic" or "my logic" there is only one logic and it is used to PROVE the validity of an argument.

"Logic dictates" is even more useless. If logic did dictate something, you would be able to show the proof. If you can't show the proof then you have no idea if "logic dictates". So either you are correct but too lazy to state your argument (in which case, why are you trying to participate in an argument?) OR you have no idea if what you are saying is true or not but taking a shot in the dark and hoping that someone else will bother to think about why it might be correct. In effect, saying "Logic dictates" basically means you are talking out of your ass (which is the same thing you accused someone else of doing while saying it).

Oh and btw, you can't "use logic" to compare apples and oranges; however, you can use logic to prove that apples and oranges are not the same thing.

tl;dr: Please stop using the word logic, you have no idea what it means.

Hmmm. It seems fairly logical to me that if you expend energy doing something but don't get the desired result you shouldn't get the energy back; you performed the action either way. For example, if I spend x amount of energy running but don't see the desired resultin my body, I don't get a portion of that energy back.

Perhaps I am wrong and you are right. The point of my original post was to say that warriors are far from useless or broken. If people feel that way they need to step their game up in a major way

Lets just skip this. Add wierd "logical" reasonings.

Warriors are broken. Sure, they're playable, but a few gamebreaking bugs is really gimping us. These bugs should be fixed, and should be high up on the prioritylist

[kull]

So I'm a new warrior had on from release along with a druid am I hearing that if a mob blocks parries etc we lose full rage bar not just the cost of the skill?

[Darkroman]

Logic is a method used to analyze arguments. "Your logic" makes absolutely no sense. There is no "your logic" or "my logic" there is only one logic and it is used to PROVE the validity of an argument.

"Logic dictates" is even more useless. If logic did dictate something, you would be able to show the proof. If you can't show the proof then you have no idea if "logic dictates". So either you are correct but too lazy to state your argument (in which case, why are you trying to participate in an argument?) OR you have no idea if what you are saying is true or not but taking a shot in the dark and hoping that someone else will bother to think about why it might be correct. In effect, saying "Logic dictates" basically means you are talking out of your ass (which is the same thing you accused someone else of doing while saying it).

Oh and btw, you can't "use logic" to compare apples and oranges; however, you can use logic to prove that apples and oranges are not the same thing.

tl;dr: Please stop using the word logic, you have no idea what it means.

Hmmm. It seems fairly logical to me that if you expend energy doing something but don't get the desired result you shouldn't get the energy back; you performed the action either way. For example, if I spend x amount of energy running but don't see the desired resultin my body, I don't get a portion of that energy back.

Perhaps I am wrong and you are right. The point of my original post was to say that warriors are far from useless or broken. If people feel that way they need to step their game up in a major way

Lets just skip this. Add wierd "logical" reasonings.

Warriors are broken. Sure, they're playable, but a few gamebreaking bugs is really gimping us. These bugs should be fixed, and should be high up on the prioritylist

"Logic dictates" that the rage or energy will get expended, but the warrior will get mad if they miss or their enemies dodges, parries, or blocks their attack and gain at least half of the expended rage back.

Get shrekt.

[boomerjp]

You did lose rage on misses in vanilla wow.
Would you stop complaining already. Bads like you are giving the few of us who know how to play a bad name.

No, you didn't. Logic dictates that you're now just talking out of your ass, to save face.

Actually you did lose the rage on MISSES, but not on dodge, parry, or immune. There is a similar mechanic for rogues and cat form druids, they are refunded 80% of the energy spent on attacks that are dodged and parried. However, rage is only something you can earn by either taking or dealing damage, and if you don't deal damage due to a defensive maneuver (dodge/parry/immune), then losing it would really break class balance. As for fully blocked attacks, I'm not really sure if you lost rage or not, but that is such a rare occurrence that it is not worth mentioning, and would really only apply to low level attacks. On the plus side, I have had a hamstring fully blocked and it still applied the debuff, so hey!

[Larsen]

- Parry and block. No exceptions. Every monster parries, every monster blocks here and there. This is the absolute 2h/dual wield killer for Warriors.

I've been wondering about this one. Hit rates seem suspiciously low. This is from playing a feral druid but the mechanics are the same. I'm parsing no more than 85% hit rates against anything, and often 70% against mobs of my own level. You should have 5% chance to miss against a mob your level, and mobs should not universally have 5% or more in both parry and dodge.

On this server, it's completely normal to get miss/parry/dodge four or five times in a row, and fairly common to miss against mobs half a dozen levels below you. This doesn't feel right. It's like every mob has at least 15% avoidance and sometimes even more. Every mob in the game is statted like a tanky warrior type of mob.

[konked]

So I'm a new warrior had on from release along with a druid am I hearing that if a mob blocks parries etc we lose full rage bar not just the cost of the skill?

Nope, we just lose the rage cost of the ability dodged/parried.

[twocows]

My warrior is closing up to 60 (57 atm) and here's my thoughts.

Warrior is probably the most gear dependant leveler in Vanilla. Nostalrius is obviously no different.
Rage generation is a bit too low. But not by big amounts. Vanilla rage generation was just retarded, and so is it here.

There is a couple of bugs that makes Warrior's life harder on this server though, and it's really not our bugged Charge or Rage gain. It's the monsters we fight.

Monsters on Nostalrius:
- Spam their abilities like no other. Including: Disarm, Stuns and Debuffs. Disarms will be chained with not much more than 2 second intervals. Nearly impossible to fight at this stage. Stuns are usually of shorter duration, so they're not as bad. But still not easy. Murlocs in Swamp of Sorrows come up instantly when I think of debuffs. 50% chance to miss, without interval. They spam this 15s duration shit without remorse. Unkillable.
- Parry and block. No exceptions. Every monster parries, every monster blocks here and there. This is the absolute 2h/dual wield killer for Warriors. I switched to 1h+shield when my Whirlwind weapon was no longer any good, any other option is suicide on this server.
- Run away without reduced movement speed. Not even Hamstring works.
- Most monsters just do too much damage, especially ones that cast spells. Yesterday I to fight the spooky ghosts in Winterspring and they cast Curse of Agony that ticks for up to 200 damage per 3 sec. while also auto attacking for 50-100. I would either end up dead or with around 5% health left, and my gear is far from bad.

It's not hard for Warriors to get gimped more than they already are, and it is proven on Nostalrius.
You need to have a real goddamn good reason to level a Warrior here, or else you are going to be severely depressed on your way to 60, even with Whirlwind weapon at level 30. It's kind of ridiculous right now, but I guess I'm used to it by now.

No mention of the fact that we lose 100% of spent rage on block/dodge/parry, when we shouldn't lose any?

This is absolutely crippling

There's a thread right now in this very section on this bug that has a GM response asking for more information (http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2670). The latest post provides evidence that rage should be refunded only in the event of a parry, not of a block or dodge. If you think this is the incorrect behavior, I would highly recommend going over to that thread and providing evidence to the contrary.

[Kdg]

Yea you guys are definitely supposed to "lose" the rage you USED even if you miss etc.

[rakei]

Pretty sure in vanilla some avoided attacks would cause partial rage loss.

Warrior's not useless, it's just slow going pre-40 instant attack and before good ~60 dungeon gear. Acquiring good gear through instances/quests/AH while leveling is absolutely necessary. Learn to tank and attain all the good instance drops and you can breeze through dungeons.

Get that WW axe in your upper 30s (lower 30s if you have high level help). Once you hit 40-45 with MS and WW axe you will powerful for awhile then start slowly declining until you start getting enrage level 56-60 and high level instance gear.

Warrior is not for the faint of heart.