TPS weapons

Re: TPS weapons

by St0rfan » Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:05 pm

Drudlo wrote:I've done some calculations to check what weapon give the highest TPS. These values are for a human warrior(+5 wep skill to sword/mace).
To do the calculations I assume there is rage to use HS on every attack and check how much TPS you get from those HS'. I assume there is a flat 15% crit chance and 0% hit from gear.

My results where as following
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Here you can see that the most important thing for TPS is the weapon speed. The second most important stat is weaponskill/hit.

PS. At the moment I do not take into consideration any +ap(or strength/agility) from weapons, only hit/crit/wepskill.


You also didnt calculate TPS generated by procs. Also, assuming the perfect conditions where you can convert every white hit into a yellow hit with heroic strike, then weapon skill wont factor in at all as you wont be doing any white hits and as we know only white hits can be glancing.
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Re: TPS weapons

by Drudlo » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:07 pm

St0rfan wrote:
You also didnt calculate TPS generated by procs. Also, assuming the perfect conditions where you can convert every white hit into a yellow hit with heroic strike, then weapon skill wont factor in at all as you wont be doing any white hits and as we know only white hits can be glancing.


I thought weapon skill had something to say on hitchance?(source:http://vanilla-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Hit)

About TPS generated by procs, it is something I want to implement but have some questions.
Are procs affected by defence stance increase in threat(and can you buff them with +spell damage or similar?)?
Anyone know a place to find the procchances on different weapons?

Edit: I assumed that only hits that do not miss can crit, is this correct for melee attacks?
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Re: TPS weapons

by Mokes » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:28 pm

Why is eskhandars right claw not on that chart?
When it procs it's the best, and without proc it's still probably in the top 5 or something.

I've seen MT's using eskhandars and had no problem with holding aggro.
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Re: TPS weapons

by St0rfan » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:03 am

Mokes wrote:Why is eskhandars right claw not on that chart?
When it procs it's the best, and without proc it's still probably in the top 5 or something.

I've seen MT's using eskhandars and had no problem with holding aggro.


It was probably overlooked. Also, you'd have to know the proc-rate of it in order to make any assumptions.
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Re: TPS weapons

by The Shortest Path » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:47 pm

Weapon skill only applies a very minor bonus to hit chance. 0.04% per point of skill, which makes it completely irrelevant to tanking. Whatever formula you're using is incorrect.
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Re: TPS weapons

by Undertanker » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:29 pm

Here we go again with this bull shit of ill informed people spreading incorrect information about weapon skill.

Did you read the thread? Dif you do your homework? Or did you just spit out something incorrect you heard on ED because your class leader said that is how it is?

0.04 is when your weapon skill "EXCEEDS" your targets defense. On a lvl63/boss, you have to have 316 skill to "EXCEED" thier defense. Before this, base hit Chance is a huge gain from +weapon skill.

Jesus Christ we (the real warriors of this game) have explained this many times in different threads.
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Re: TPS weapons

by Drudlo » Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:27 am

Undertanker wrote:Here we go again with this bull shit of ill informed people spreading incorrect information about weapon skill.

Did you read the thread? Dif you do your homework? Or did you just spit out something incorrect you heard on ED because your class leader said that is how it is?

0.04 is when your weapon skill "EXCEEDS" your targets defense. On a lvl63/boss, you have to have 316 skill to "EXCEED" thier defense. Before this, base hit Chance is a huge gain from +weapon skill.

Jesus Christ we (the real warriors of this game) have explained this many times in different threads.


I even included a source further up on this page.

About eskhandar; if anyone know the proc-chance of the weapon I can add it to the list and see how it comes up.
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Re: TPS weapons

by sidesprang » Sat Aug 29, 2015 9:50 pm

Drudlo wrote:
Undertanker wrote:Here we go again with this bull shit of ill informed people spreading incorrect information about weapon skill.

Did you read the thread? Dif you do your homework? Or did you just spit out something incorrect you heard on ED because your class leader said that is how it is?

0.04 is when your weapon skill "EXCEEDS" your targets defense. On a lvl63/boss, you have to have 316 skill to "EXCEED" thier defense. Before this, base hit Chance is a huge gain from +weapon skill.

Jesus Christ we (the real warriors of this game) have explained this many times in different threads.


I even included a source further up on this page.

About eskhandar; if anyone know the proc-chance of the weapon I can add it to the list and see how it comes up.


You know your source is from like 2013 right ? Hardly very reliable.
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Re: TPS weapons

by Drudlo » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:31 am

sidesprang wrote:
Drudlo wrote:
Undertanker wrote:Here we go again with this bull shit of ill informed people spreading incorrect information about weapon skill.

Did you read the thread? Dif you do your homework? Or did you just spit out something incorrect you heard on ED because your class leader said that is how it is?

0.04 is when your weapon skill "EXCEEDS" your targets defense. On a lvl63/boss, you have to have 316 skill to "EXCEED" thier defense. Before this, base hit Chance is a huge gain from +weapon skill.

Jesus Christ we (the real warriors of this game) have explained this many times in different threads.


I even included a source further up on this page.

About eskhandar; if anyone know the proc-chance of the weapon I can add it to the list and see how it comes up.


You know your source is from like 2013 right ? Hardly very reliable.


My source for a game that came out in 2004 is from 2013, for me that sound ok. Do you have a source that say something else?
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Re: TPS weapons

by Mokes » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:56 pm

I have eskhandars so if anyone has a good addon for determining proc chance i could test it
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