Prot talents for 40 man raiding?

[Reimerbo]

Hey, so I am about to hit 60, and I have been looking around the internet for any guide on talents, but I can't find any. The reason why I am asking is that I have hear that you go fury till you get Death Wish and then put the rest of the points in prot. Is this how you do it, or do I acaully get most of the viable prot talents?

If possible, could anyone send a link to a viable 40 raid prot warrior spec?

[St0rfan]

Hey, so I am about to hit 60, and I have been looking around the internet for any guide on talents, but I can't find any. The reason why I am asking is that I have hear that you go fury till you get Death Wish and then put the rest of the points in prot. Is this how you do it, or do I acaully get most of the viable prot talents?

If possible, could anyone send a link to a viable 40 raid prot warrior spec?

Here's a cookie-cutter raid prot spec:
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0bZVZEizotMdVo

Some points can be re-allocated according to taste/role/personal preference. You can move points from improved heroic strike to imp shieldbash or Sunder if you wish. Personaly I keep this spec as it allows med more Heroic strike spam with a fast 1.3 speed dagger.

[Heldunder]

what id really like to see is a decent fury/prot arms/prot offtanking build (we cant have deep wounds due to debuff limit)

[Heldunder]

Hey, so I am about to hit 60, and I have been looking around the internet for any guide on talents, but I can't find any. The reason why I am asking is that I have hear that you go fury till you get Death Wish and then put the rest of the points in prot. Is this how you do it, or do I acaully get most of the viable prot talents?

If possible, could anyone send a link to a viable 40 raid prot warrior spec?

Here's a cookie-cutter raid prot spec:
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0bZVZEizotMdVo

Some points can be re-allocated according to taste/role/personal preference. You can move points from improved heroic strike to imp shieldbash or Sunder if you wish. Personaly I keep this spec as it allows med more Heroic strike spam with a fast 1.3 speed dagger.

i honestly wouldnt waste the point in imp sunder.

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0hZVZEizoxMdVo

[St0rfan]

what id really like to see is a decent fury/prot arms/prot offtanking build (we cant have deep wounds due to debuff limit)

Fury warriors already have deep wounds, and it is a low-prio debuff so it will be thrown off by higher prio debuffs. 17/3/31 works.

Hey, so I am about to hit 60, and I have been looking around the internet for any guide on talents, but I can't find any. The reason why I am asking is that I have hear that you go fury till you get Death Wish and then put the rest of the points in prot. Is this how you do it, or do I acaully get most of the viable prot talents?

If possible, could anyone send a link to a viable 40 raid prot warrior spec?

Here's a cookie-cutter raid prot spec:
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0bZVZEizotMdVo

Some points can be re-allocated according to taste/role/personal preference. You can move points from improved heroic strike to imp shieldbash or Sunder if you wish. Personaly I keep this spec as it allows med more Heroic strike spam with a fast 1.3 speed dagger.

i honestly wouldnt waste the point in imp sunder.

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0hZVZEizoxMdVo

Why 3/5 tac mastery? There are no abilities that you need to stance-dance for that require 15 rage. 2/5 is what you need for mocking blow since that cost 10 rage.

[Heldunder]

what id really like to see is a decent fury/prot arms/prot offtanking build (we cant have deep wounds due to debuff limit)

Fury warriors already have deep wounds, and it is a low-prio debuff so it will be thrown off by higher prio debuffs. 17/3/31 works.


Here's a cookie-cutter raid prot spec:
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0bZVZEizotMdVo

Some points can be re-allocated according to taste/role/personal preference. You can move points from improved heroic strike to imp shieldbash or Sunder if you wish. Personaly I keep this spec as it allows med more Heroic strike spam with a fast 1.3 speed dagger.

i honestly wouldnt waste the point in imp sunder.

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0hZVZEizoxMdVo[/quote]

Why 3/5 tac mastery? There are no abilities that you need to stance-dance for that require 15 rage. 2/5 is what you need for mocking blow since that cost 10 rage.[/quote]


a: i was asking about a fury/tank build without deep wounds.

b: id rather have 5 rage extra on a stance dance than 1 rage cheaper sunders. i guess its just preference?

[St0rfan]

what id really like to see is a decent fury/prot arms/prot offtanking build (we cant have deep wounds due to debuff limit)

Fury warriors already have deep wounds, and it is a low-prio debuff so it will be thrown off by higher prio debuffs. 17/3/31 works.


Here's a cookie-cutter raid prot spec:
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0bZVZEizotMdVo

Some points can be re-allocated according to taste/role/personal preference. You can move points from improved heroic strike to imp shieldbash or Sunder if you wish. Personaly I keep this spec as it allows med more Heroic strike spam with a fast 1.3 speed dagger.

i honestly wouldnt waste the point in imp sunder.

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0hZVZEizoxMdVo

Why 3/5 tac mastery? There are no abilities that you need to stance-dance for that require 15 rage. 2/5 is what you need for mocking blow since that cost 10 rage.[/quote]


a: i was asking about a fury/tank build without deep wounds.

b: id rather have 5 rage extra on a stance dance than 1 rage cheaper sunders. i guess its just preference?[/quote]

You wont be stance-dancing enough in a raid to make use of that 5 rage retained thru the stance shift. Cheaper sunder will be useful at all times though since you will be constantly using it. From a 3rd or 4th OT position I could see why you'd want more points in imp tac mastery though.

[Undertanker]

Let me explain something for a moment, any build that goes down then tanking tree and is not getting 3/3 imp sunder is wrong.

You should be getting 3/3 imp sunder, 2/5 imp 1 hand.

3% damage on 1h for your hs increases your tps by 2.7 to 3.5 depending on crits.

Shield slam, revenge, sunder armor do not get any increases from this.

However, having Sunder armor reduced to 12, this helps soooo much on rage starved raid bosses like onxyia and other aggro sensitive fights, helps OTs a lot for secondary threat on taunt immune bosses and is extremely usesful on 5 mans or sub-lvl 62 raid trash, as they do not do enough damage for HS spam in your rotation.

If that isnt enough, think about if you had 30 rage. Non improved can do a revenge and a sunder. I can do Sunder, revenge, sunder with that amount which is 280ish more threat. A lot more threat you will ever come close to with 3%more weapon damage on the white hits between it.

[Undertanker]

Now for OP.

It is bettet to be good at something than half assed at 2 things.

If you are not tank 1 or tank 2, ignore proc talents.

Just go a normal fury build and keep a tank set. If you would like, you can go MS / Proc hybrid.

You go down arms tree for MS and get the aggro, def talents from proc, a few points in crit. MS is a medium priority debuff and will still get written over. It is useful against Ebonroc in BWL as well.

[St0rfan]

Let me explain something for a moment, any build that goes down then tanking tree and is not getting 3/3 imp sunder is wrong.

You should be getting 3/3 imp sunder, 2/5 imp 1 hand.

3% damage on 1h for your hs increases your tps by 2.7 to 3.5 depending on crits.

Shield slam, revenge, sunder armor do not get any increases from this.

However, having Sunder armor reduced to 12, this helps soooo much on rage starved raid bosses like onxyia and other aggro sensitive fights, helps OTs a lot for secondary threat on taunt immune bosses and is extremely usesful on 5 mans or sub-lvl 62 raid trash, as they do not do enough damage for HS spam in your rotation.

If that isnt enough, think about if you had 30 rage. Non improved can do a revenge and a sunder. I can do Sunder, revenge, sunder with that amount which is 280ish more threat. A lot more threat you will ever come close to with 3%more weapon damage on the white hits between it.

You make alot of sense, but wouldnt 3/5 cruelty and 5/5 1h dmg be better? (Still with 3/3 sunder) Something like this:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#LA0bZcZEizoeMdVo