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Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:34 am**

I'm aware of KTM, but KTM doesn't actually show the threat I'm actively generating, it's just accumulating it. I'm interested in seeing which weapon generates more threat in a raid environment, with full rage and HS spam.

The weapon in question here is Eskhandar's, since it's hard to actually calculate the TPS out-of-game because of the proc.

Are there any addons that can clearly show TPS?

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:20 am**

Sigma wrote:I'm aware of KTM, but KTM doesn't actually show the threat I'm actively generating, it's just accumulating it. I'm interested in seeing which weapon generates more threat in a raid environment, with full rage and HS spam.

The weapon in question here is Eskhandar's, since it's hard to actually calculate the TPS out-of-game because of the proc.

Are there any addons that can clearly show TPS?

Nope, but it's simple math anyways (just find out uptime and the rest is easy to figure out). It's roughly as good as a 1.4 wep(in best case with no overlapping procs), so finkles alcors etc beats it in hs spam as the dps diff cant make up for the diff in hs threat.

Edit: TF being special case.. If all 3 procs generate threat, the +nr dmg is working and procrate is correct it has the highest avg threat in all kinds of hs spam situations.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:27 pm**

Plask wrote:
Sigma wrote:Edit: TF being special case.. If all 3 procs generate threat, the +nr dmg is working and procrate is correct it has the highest avg threat in all kinds of hs spam situations.

I'm a scrub Warlock main, can you explain in what scenarios TF isn't the #1 threat weapon?

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:33 pm**

Numi wrote:
Plask wrote:
Sigma wrote:Edit: TF being special case.. If all 3 procs generate threat, the +nr dmg is working and procrate is correct it has the highest avg threat in all kinds of hs spam situations.

I'm a scrub Warlock main, can you explain in what scenarios TF isn't the #1 threat weapon?

If the procs are broken and not producing correct threat (like on feenix), Alcors will be better threat on some rage-capped fights. Also ther are fights where you cant use TF for other reasons, such as Twin Emperors in AQ40 where using TF will aggro neutral adds.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:30 pm**

If you specifically want to know about eskhandar, it has about 1.42 speed (i might be off by a tiny bit) but if im not wrong thats the avg speed for it. So it will not outperform any 1.30 weapons if thats what youre looking for

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:33 pm**

Taking some cred from Defcap here, keep in mind the "exact values" might be wrong as this is from a different server", but the comparison between the weapons themself should be correct.

Here comes the copy pasterino.
For clarification I added 100% HS spam and 75% HS spam. See the diff for yourself. You can see by the table below that Weapon speed has way more impact on TPS then the DPS has. Thunderfury is not included due to RNG and lack of data from it on Feenix.

Alcor's Sunrazor
DPS: 45.4
Speed: 1.3
TPS(100% HS) R8: 361.054 R9: 382.246
TPS(75% HS) R8: 282.14 R9: 298.035
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Fang of Venoxis
DPS: 41.3
Speed: 1.3
TPS(100% HS) R8: 356.954 R9: 378.146
TPS(75% HS) R8: 278.04 R9: 293.935
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Finkle's Skinner
DPS: 41.2
Speed: 1.3
TPS(100% HS) R8: 356.854 R9: 378.046
TPS(75% HS) R8: 277.94 R9: 293.835
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Julie's Dagger
DPS: 36.5
Speed: 1.3
TPS(100% HS) R8: 352.154 R9: 373.346
TPS(75% HS) R8: 273.24 R9: 289.135
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The Hungering Cold
DPS: 73
Speed: 1.5
TPS(100% HS) R8: 346.567 R9: 364.933
TPS(75% HS) R8: 278.175 R9: 291.95
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Widow's Remorse
DPS: 62.8
Speed: 1.6
TPS(100% HS) R8: 319.269 R9: 336.487
TPS(75% HS) R8: 255.152 R9: 268.066
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Blessed Qiraji Pugio
DPS: 60.6
Speed: 1.7
TPS(100% HS) R8: 301.982 R9: 318.188
TPS(75% HS) R8: 241.637 R9: 253.791
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Shadowsong's Sorrow
DPS: 57.4
Speed: 1.7
TPS(100% HS) R8: 298.782 R9: 314.988
TPS(75% HS) R8: 238.437 R9: 250.591
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Fang of the Crystal Spider
DPS: 40.3
Speed: 1.6
TPS(100% HS) R8: 296.769 R9: 313.987
TPS(75% HS) R8: 232.652 R9: 245.566
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Grand Marshal's Swiftblade
DPS: 59.4
Speed: 1.8
TPS(100% HS) R8: 287.372 R9: 302.678
TPS(75% HS) R8: 230.379 R9: 241.858
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Bloodlord's Defender
DPS: 48.2
Speed: 1.9
TPS(100% HS) R8: 264.174 R9: 278.674
TPS(75% HS) R8: 210.18 R9: 221.055
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Quel'Serrar
DPS: 52.5
Speed: 2
TPS(100% HS) R8: 257.675 R9: 271.45
TPS(75% HS) R8: 206.381 R9: 216.713
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Blessed Qiraji War Hammer
DPS: 60.7
Speed: 2.1
TPS(100% HS) R8: 256.105 R9: 269.224
TPS(75% HS) R8: 207.254 R9: 217.093
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Ravencrest's Legacy
DPS: 57.4
Speed: 2.1
TPS(100% HS) R8: 252.805 R9: 265.924
TPS(75% HS) R8: 203.954 R9: 213.793
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Crul'shorukh, Edge of Chaos
DPS: 62.8
Speed: 2.3
TPS(100% HS) R8: 241.213 R9: 253.191
TPS(75% HS) R8: 196.61 R9: 205.593
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Spineshatter
DPS: 54.4
Speed: 2.6
TPS(100% HS) R8: 212.227 R9: 222.823
TPS(75% HS) R8: 172.77 R9: 180.717

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:44 am**

Monga wrote:Taking some cred from Defcap here, keep in mind the "exact values" might be wrong as this is from a different server", but the comparison between the weapons themself should be correct.

Here comes the copy pasterino.
For clarification I added 100% HS spam and 75% HS spam. See the diff for yourself. You can see by the table below that Weapon speed has way more impact on TPS then the DPS has. Thunderfury is not included due to RNG and lack of data from it on Feenix.

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Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
DPS: 53.9
Speed: 1.9
100% HS: R8: 423.644 R9: 438.594
75% HS: R8: 363.45 R9: 374.663
50% HS: R8: 303.257 R9: 310.732
25% HS: R8: 243.063 R9: 246.801
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Alcor's Sunrazor
DPS: 45.4
Speed: 1.3
100% HS: R8: 393.323 R9: 415.173
75% HS: R8: 311.961 R9: 328.348
50% HS: R8: 241.523 R9: 241.523
25% HS: R8: 154.698 R9: 154.698
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The Hungering Cold
DPS: 73
Speed: 1.5
100% HS: R8: 391.192 R9: 410.128
75% HS: R8: 320.677 R9: 334.88
50% HS: R8: 259.632 R9: 259.632
25% HS: R8: 184.383 R9: 184.383
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Fang of Venoxis
DPS: 41.3
Speed: 1.3
100% HS: R8: 387.194 R9: 409.044
75% HS: R8: 305.831 R9: 322.219
50% HS: R8: 235.394 R9: 235.394
25% HS: R8: 148.569 R9: 148.569
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Finkle's Skinner
DPS: 41.2
Speed: 1.3
100% HS: R8: 387.044 R9: 408.894
75% HS: R8: 305.682 R9: 322.069
50% HS: R8: 235.244 R9: 235.244
25% HS: R8: 148.419 R9: 148.419
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Julie's Dagger
DPS: 36.5
Speed: 1.3
100% HS: R8: 380.018 R9: 401.868
75% HS: R8: 298.655 R9: 315.043
50% HS: R8: 228.218 R9: 228.218
25% HS: R8: 141.393 R9: 141.393
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Eskhandar's Right Claw
DPS: 48
Speed: 1.44722
100% HS: R8: 364.104 R9: 383.731
75% HS: R8: 291.018 R9: 305.738
50% HS: R8: 227.746 R9: 227.746
25% HS: R8: 149.753 R9: 149.753
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Widow's Remorse
DPS: 62.8
Speed: 1.6
100% HS: R8: 358.314 R9: 376.067
75% HS: R8: 292.207 R9: 305.522
50% HS: R8: 234.977 R9: 234.977
25% HS: R8: 164.431 R9: 164.431
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Blessed Qiraji Pugio
DPS: 60.6
Speed: 1.7
100% HS: R8: 339.471 R9: 356.179
75% HS: R8: 277.252 R9: 289.784
50% HS: R8: 223.388 R9: 223.388
25% HS: R8: 156.993 R9: 156.993
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Shadowsong's Sorrow
DPS: 57.4
Speed: 1.7
100% HS: R8: 334.687 R9: 351.395
75% HS: R8: 272.468 R9: 285
50% HS: R8: 218.604 R9: 218.604
25% HS: R8: 152.209 R9: 152.209
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Fang of the Crystal Spider
DPS: 40.3
Speed: 1.6
100% HS: R8: 324.677 R9: 342.43
75% HS: R8: 258.57 R9: 271.884
50% HS: R8: 201.339 R9: 201.339
25% HS: R8: 130.794 R9: 130.794
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Grand Marshal's Swiftblade
DPS: 59.4
Speed: 1.8
100% HS: R8: 323.85 R9: 339.631
75% HS: R8: 265.088 R9: 276.924
50% HS: R8: 214.217 R9: 214.217
25% HS: R8: 151.51 R9: 151.51
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Bloodlord's Defender
DPS: 48.2
Speed: 1.9
100% HS: R8: 294.735 R9: 309.685
75% HS: R8: 239.066 R9: 250.279
50% HS: R8: 190.872 R9: 190.872
25% HS: R8: 131.466 R9: 131.466
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Blessed Qiraji War Hammer
DPS: 60.7
Speed: 2.1
100% HS: R8: 292.216 R9: 305.742
75% HS: R8: 241.848 R9: 251.993
50% HS: R8: 198.244 R9: 198.244
25% HS: R8: 144.495 R9: 144.495
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Quel'Serrar
DPS: 52.5
Speed: 2
100% HS: R8: 290.03 R9: 304.232
75% HS: R8: 237.144 R9: 247.796
50% HS: R8: 191.36 R9: 191.36
25% HS: R8: 134.924 R9: 134.924
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Ravencrest's Legacy
DPS: 57.4
Speed: 2.1
100% HS: R8: 287.282 R9: 300.808
75% HS: R8: 236.915 R9: 247.059
50% HS: R8: 193.311 R9: 193.311
25% HS: R8: 139.562 R9: 139.562
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Crul'shorukh, Edge of Chaos
DPS: 62.8
Speed: 2.3
100% HS: R8: 277.836 R9: 290.186
75% HS: R8: 231.848 R9: 241.111
50% HS: R8: 192.036 R9: 192.036
25% HS: R8: 142.961 R9: 142.961
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Spineshatter
DPS: 54.4
Speed: 2.6
100% HS: R8: 244.053 R9: 254.978
75% HS: R8: 203.372 R9: 211.566
50% HS: R8: 168.153 R9: 168.153
25% HS: R8: 124.741 R9: 124.741

I posted a revised one, as it was outdated. TF estimates is not accurate and only works for ED. I have no clue whatsover what stats it has here.

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