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So for fury Oh enchant whats better crusader, or 15 str?

Haeinad wrote:So for fury Oh enchant whats better crusader, or 15 str?

Due to the PPM-nature of Crusader, and OH not producing any special attacks (Which are exempt from the PPM) I would put 15str on a fast OH and only Crusader if the OH is very slow. Basically, anything that is faster than 2.5 speed will probably yield a better result with 15str.

St0rfan wrote:

Haeinad wrote:So for fury Oh enchant whats better crusader, or 15 str?

Due to the PPM-nature of Crusader, and OH not producing any special attacks (Which are exempt from the PPM) I would put 15str on a fast OH and only Crusader if the OH is very slow. Basically, anything that is faster than 2.5 speed will probably yield a better result with 15str.

How does that make sense? PPM normalizes the proc-rate to one proc per minute when no specials are used. I.e. For an offhand. Crusader should proc as often on a fast oh as on a slow one.

I think you're mixing it up with the fact that a slow weapon is great because it, when specials are factored in, actually gets more procs per minute, because ppm gives slower weapons a higher procchance

SuperDuck wrote:

St0rfan wrote:

Haeinad wrote:So for fury Oh enchant whats better crusader, or 15 str?

Due to the PPM-nature of Crusader, and OH not producing any special attacks (Which are exempt from the PPM) I would put 15str on a fast OH and only Crusader if the OH is very slow. Basically, anything that is faster than 2.5 speed will probably yield a better result with 15str.

How does that make sense? PPM normalizes the proc-rate to one proc per minute when no specials are used. I.e. For an offhand. Crusader should proc as often on a fast oh as on a slow one.

I think you're mixing it up with the fact that a slow weapon is great because it, when specials are factored in, actually gets more procs per minute, because ppm gives slower weapons a higher procchance

This.

SuperDuck wrote:

St0rfan wrote:

Haeinad wrote:So for fury Oh enchant whats better crusader, or 15 str?

Due to the PPM-nature of Crusader, and OH not producing any special attacks (Which are exempt from the PPM) I would put 15str on a fast OH and only Crusader if the OH is very slow. Basically, anything that is faster than 2.5 speed will probably yield a better result with 15str.

How does that make sense? PPM normalizes the proc-rate to one proc per minute when no specials are used. I.e. For an offhand. Crusader should proc as often on a fast oh as on a slow one.

I think you're mixing it up with the fact that a slow weapon is great because it, when specials are factored in, actually gets more procs per minute, because ppm gives slower weapons a higher procchance

PPM is derived from unbuffed, un-hasted weapon speed meaning a slower OH will benefit from Crusader due to Flurry giving a higher net haste than it would to a fast OH. You might be right though. I havent done the math for Crusader on offhands since I dont play fury here.

Since flurry haste is based on a percentage the increased procrate should be the same for a fast and a slow weapon as far as i can see.

30% haste means 30% more attacks per minute, the procchance should be uneffected, so the procrate per minute should to my understanding increase by 30% when flurried regardless of original weapon speed.

SuperDuck wrote:Since flurry haste is based on a percentage the increased procrate should be the same for a fast and a slow weapon as far as i can see.

30% haste means 30% more attacks per minute, the procchance should be uneffected, so the procrate per minute should to my understanding increase by 30% when flurried regardless of original weapon speed.

This seems to be correct, unless windfury and whirlwind screw things up, but iirc wf only uses mainhand for procs?

Lingon wrote:

SuperDuck wrote:Since flurry haste is based on a percentage the increased procrate should be the same for a fast and a slow weapon as far as i can see.

30% haste means 30% more attacks per minute, the procchance should be uneffected, so the procrate per minute should to my understanding increase by 30% when flurried regardless of original weapon speed.

This seems to be correct, unless windfury and whirlwind screw things up, but iirc wf only uses mainhand for procs?

Yep. And WW as well. Ww hitting with OH as well is a BC thing.