Barman Shanker Nerfed or not?

[Beldukil]

can anyone tell me if the barman Shanker has or has not been nerfed in this version of wow? Thanks!

[Kha]

can anyone tell me if the barman Shanker has or has not been nerfed in this version of wow? Thanks!

barman shanker was never nerfed or buffed. the "nerf" saying reffered to the implementation of normalisation, since at a specific attack power, shanker was better than the perdition since 2.0 speed.

[Unsouled]

On a related note, has normalization been confirmed on this server? I thought it was, but I'm a level 58 rogue with a Barman Shanker (i.e. I don't have the final rank of Backstab), and I've only got like 500 AP, yet my BS has been critting for >1000 on a number of occasions.

[The Shortest Path]

Normalization was not implemented until the pre-BC patch which added 40 point talents, which is the patch after the current one our client is using.

[Everen21822]

IIRC it was implemented in patch 1.8.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Normalization

[Everen21822]

On a related note, has normalization been confirmed on this server? I thought it was, but I'm a level 58 rogue with a Barman Shanker (i.e. I don't have the final rank of Backstab), and I've only got like 500 AP, yet my BS has been critting for >1000 on a number of occasions.

Are you the OG Unsouled from Lightning Blade US?

[Unsouled]

Are you the OG Unsouled from Lightning Blade US?

Yep, sure am.

Can anyone confirm or test whether normalization is a thing on this server? Once I decide to level to 60 I can buy the Glacial Blade and do some of my own tests (which will consist of backstabbing a sitting target), but it'll take a while to get good data from that.

[Everen21822]

Are you the OG Unsouled from Lightning Blade US?

Yep, sure am./quote]

Dope man, glad to see you playing on Nost. Hope to see you put out a new video, cheers.

[Youfie]

Normalization was not implemented until the pre-BC patch which added 40 point talents, which is the patch after the current one our client is using.

Lol, nope.

Yes, Attack Power is normalized on Nostalrius. Barman isn't better than Perdition's.

[Youfie]

On a related note, has normalization been confirmed on this server? I thought it was, but I'm a level 58 rogue with a Barman Shanker (i.e. I don't have the final rank of Backstab), and I've only got like 500 AP, yet my BS has been critting for >1000 on a number of occasions.

Rank 7 Backstab with a Barman Shanker and 500 Attack Power, with 5/5 Opportunity & 5/5 Lethality and normalized AP contribution :

120% x ((((500/14) x 1.7 + DMG) x 150%) + 165) = 453 (1042 crit) - 532 (1224 crit) damage.

You have to take into account armor on top of that, but BS above 1k make sense, especially with +dmg enchant / stones and expose armor on your target.

And btw, even before normalization, Barman wasn't better than Perdition's, unless you had like 2k AP or more (to lazy to do the maths to figure out exactly how much).

Average damage of Barman & Perdition's pre-normalization :

Barman :
500 :
511 (1177 crit)

800 AP :
589 (1354 crit)

1000 AP :
641 (1473 crit)


Perdition's :
500 :
557 (1280 crit)

800 AP :
626 (1440 crit)

1000 AP :
672 (1547 crit)