Poison Charges

[Hawksworth]

Did crippling poison have charges in vanilla? I don't seem to remember it being like that...

No it didn't, and it doesn't here either. It still consumes charges on other weapon's poison if it has charges though.

Ah, ok

[Jindo]

Was looting the quest object for the Gaz Ridan quest (or something) @ Tanaris (30x required). Each time I looted the object, both weps lost 1 poison charge. Idk if it works like that for all objects.

[Youfie]

Was looting the quest object for the Gaz Ridan quest (or something) @ Tanaris (30x required). Each time I looted the object, both weps lost 1 poison charge. Idk if it works like that for all objects.

Haven't noticed it muself, but maybe. Either case, I think this information is really valuable to the devs for the to understand waht's wrong with our charges, so thank you

[Solmyr]

The poison charges bug is the same one that Feenix had on ED for over 2 years. It was reported and discussed on github to no end, literally everybody knew every detail about it, yet it took very long time to fix. I imagine it is a core problem with Mangos and the rescripting is difficult.

I would be glad if it's fixed soon, but I don't imagine it would be. If any developer ever reads this, I will give you the same suggestion I gave the Feenix devs:

If you are unable to fix the bug asap, the best thing that you can do is turn charge-based poisons into non-charge-based poisons (like crippling). Yes, this is not blizzlike, but neither is having your poisons last 5 minutes when you're fighting constantly. Once a proper script for expending poison charges is ready, you can apply it and have it blizzlike again.

The reason why the current poison charges bug is so impactful is not merely economic - in raiding your poison charges will not last the entire fight, forcing you to reapply mid-fight.

[Tekko]

I wondered why my poisons were running out so fast, this is kinda game breaking.

If you are unable to fix the bug asap, the best thing that you can do is turn charge-based poisons into non-charge-based poisons (like crippling). Yes, this is not blizzlike, but neither is having your poisons last 5 minutes when you're fighting constantly. Once a proper script for expending poison charges is ready, you can apply it and have it blizzlike again.

I think we can dream on

[whissper]

Seems like [Shadow Oil], [Frost Oil] procs also consume poison charges from other weapon (which is imbued with poison).
Not 100% sure yet, but this should be tested.

P.S. 5 min duration instead of charges is bad idea (i mean the time interval is too short)

[ohgr]

Seems like [Shadow Oil], [Frost Oil] procs also consume poison charges from other weapon (which is imbued with poison).
Not 100% sure yet, but this should be tested.

P.S. 5 min duration instead of charges is bad idea (i mean the time interval is too short)

Makes you wonder, does things like windfury totem, crusader enchant, unholy, lifestealing, pretty much any proc-enchant consume a charge as well? Does anyone know.

I don't think he meant that the poisons would last 5 minutes, he said that poisons only lasting 5 minutes (which they are if you get double-procs all the time) isn't blizzlike either (if anyone were to argue that it isn't blizzlike to remove charges completely on poisons that have charges).

[Solmyr]

Makes you wonder, does things like windfury totem, crusader enchant, unholy, lifestealing, pretty much any proc-enchant consume a charge as well? Does anyone know.

Yes, they do. So does any built-in weapon proc, HoJ, variety of other trinkets. Looting objects, chests, lockpicking, almost any action imaginable. And since it also expends from sheathing/unsheathing, which is not really an action in the sense it doesn't impact the world, I am almost inclined to believe the expenditure is cause by any weapon animation, different than normal swings.

Once again anyone is free to look up the issue on ED github - all the info and more about this bug is available there.

I don't think he meant that the poisons would last 5 minutes, he said that poisons only lasting 5 minutes (which they are if you get double-procs all the time) isn't blizzlike either (if anyone were to argue that it isn't blizzlike to remove charges completely on poisons that have charges).

Yes, that's what I said.

[Youfie]

Makes you wonder, does things like windfury totem, crusader enchant, unholy, lifestealing, pretty much any proc-enchant consume a charge as well? Does anyone know.

Yes, they do. So does any built-in weapon proc, HoJ, variety of other trinkets. Looting objects, chests, lockpicking, almost any action imaginable. And since it also expends from sheathing/unsheathing, which is not really an action in the sense it doesn't impact the world, I am almost inclined to believe the expenditure is cause by any weapon animation, different than normal swings.

Once again anyone is free to look up the issue on ED github - all the info and more about this bug is available there.

I don't think he meant that the poisons would last 5 minutes, he said that poisons only lasting 5 minutes (which they are if you get double-procs all the time) isn't blizzlike either (if anyone were to argue that it isn't blizzlike to remove charges completely on poisons that have charges).

Yes, that's what I said.

Lock Picking doesn't cause charges consumption on Nostalrius, neither does the action of looting something, but Sheating / Unsheating weapons DOES consume charges indeed.

[Solmyr]

Lock Picking doesn't cause charges consumption on Nostalrius, neither does the action of looting something, but Sheating / Unsheating weapons DOES consume charges indeed.

So you're saying this report is false?

Was looting the quest object for the Gaz Ridan quest (or something) @ Tanaris (30x required). Each time I looted the object, both weps lost 1 poison charge. Idk if it works like that for all objects.

Just earlier you said:

Haven't noticed it muself, but maybe. Either case, I think this information is really valuable to the devs for the to understand waht's wrong with our charges, so thank you