Rogue Guide by Oto

[Oto]

Has anyone done more investigation on if this server actually DOES use a formula where 315 is the GB "cap" as described in the following post?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=559&p=4783&hilit=weapon+skill+cap#p4783

Does anyone know of an addon that can break down white damage? I can't any addons that will break it down in vanilla, otherwise I'd test it myself!

It does .

Unless it changed recently or something, which I see no reason for .

IF some one has proof of this, I'd like to see this. But basicly it's not blizzlike then, your focus for weaponskill is the mitigation of the glancing blow damage penalty. That ends at 310.

[KespadA]

Has anyone done more investigation on if this server actually DOES use a formula where 315 is the GB "cap" as described in the following post?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=559&p=4783&hilit=weapon+skill+cap#p4783

Does anyone know of an addon that can break down white damage? I can't any addons that will break it down in vanilla, otherwise I'd test it myself!

It does .

Unless it changed recently or something, which I see no reason for .

IF some one has proof of this, I'd like to see this. But basicly it's not blizzlike then, your focus for weaponskill is the mitigation of the glancing blow damage penalty. That ends at 310.

Yep. I wish I knew how to write addons so I could just make one to test this myself.

[KrakenROLLA]

what about 22/8/21 build? Is it decent now on nost? Smth like this:
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oxpZGcZVMjcc0o

That's a pvp spec. You are in the pve rogue guide. So speaking of which, the spec sucks in pve.

Can you advise anything balanced for pve/pvp, please? I can't imagine paying for respec everytime.

[vytiokas]

What do you think about these talents
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fZMIVbbEz0boEr0cc

[Daggerknife]

what about 22/8/21 build? Is it decent now on nost? Smth like this:
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oxpZGcZVMjcc0o

That's a pvp spec. You are in the pve rogue guide. So speaking of which, the spec sucks in pve.

Can you advise anything balanced for pve/pvp, please? I can't imagine paying for respec everytime.

It's either way... You can't have the best of both worlds, if you wanna be useful in pvp you need a pvp spec and vice versa for pve, the only thing a hybrid spec will do is make you mediocre in both PvP/PvE

[snawfu]

What do you think about these talents
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fZMIVbbEz0boEr0cc

shite

[Daggerknife]

How come Mirah's Song is not part of the spreedsheet?

[Youfie]

Has anyone done more investigation on if this server actually DOES use a formula where 315 is the GB "cap" as described in the following post?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=559&p=4783&hilit=weapon+skill+cap#p4783

Does anyone know of an addon that can break down white damage? I can't any addons that will break it down in vanilla, otherwise I'd test it myself!

It does .

Unless it changed recently or something, which I see no reason for .

IF some one has proof of this, I'd like to see this. But basicly it's not blizzlike then, your focus for weaponskill is the mitigation of the glancing blow damage penalty. That ends at 310.

As far as I know, Nostalrius dev team used "Athan's" formula regarding Glancing Blows mitigation calculation (long story short : first 5 +Skill points extremely useful, next +5 quite good, last 5 not completely useless but almost, GB doing 95% normal damage at 310) :

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/wow ... 0801063552

You can find here the source of this image as well as interesting discussions from around 2006 about Glancing Blows.

Basically, I think Athan's formula was chosen cause it made a bit more sense than the other assumptions and was backed-up by solid empirical testing (i.e. several thousands of swings monitored with an AddOn rather than just people who "felt" stuff). And the results of this data collection actually made sense not only with the game itself (315 hard cap & shit), but also with other people's assumptions despite being a bit different (quite hard to "feel" a 5% average difference on melee swings).


By the way Oto, have you had the opportunity to check the Miss rate formula on Nostalrius ? Is it 27% with a 300 Weapon Skill as it should (actually making the first +skill point even more useful lol) ?

I'm referring to :

If the difference between the mob's Defense Skill and your Weapon Skill is less than or equal to 10 then the formula for calculating your base miss rate against that mob is:

[Oto]

By the way Oto, have you had the opportunity to check the Miss rate formula on Nostalrius ? Is it 27% with a 300 Weapon Skill as it should (actually making the first +skill point even more useful lol) ?

Actually no, i converted to one thise raidloggers, dont have so much time to do stuff.
It actully still sounds like 310 is the way to go and we will see about getting more when Maladath is available for example, which is the real thing to test with. Except for Daggers ofc, which can be done right now.

How come Mirah's Song is not part of the spreedsheet?

Hm actually it is.

[Youfie]

It actully still sounds like 310 is the way to go

Yeah, 310 remains the way to go, even with a hard cap on GB at 315.

Anyway, thanks for your information, I'll post here if I have the opportunity to test anything hit-related in a raid environment then