Rogue Guide by Oto

[kaba]

Does the recent inclusion of the "of Proficiency" suffix (items with +skill) change anything in the BiS list? Example:

[kaba]

Also, another quick question. Lesser Arcanum of Voracity vs Arcanum of Rapidity, has anyone done the math on when one gets better than the other?

[Youfie]

Does the recent inclusion of the "of Proficiency" suffix (items with +skill) change anything in the BiS list? Example:

That's interesting indeed. How much +Skill can such items have ? +6 ?

Also, another quick question. Lesser Arcanum of Voracity vs Arcanum of Rapidity, has anyone done the math on when one gets better than the other?

In my opinion, the Arcanum of Rapidity is kinda shitty, and I'd love too to have your opinions about it guys.

Here's my understanding of the Arcanum of Rapidity :

In theory, it means +1%ish to white damage (and more poisons / procs & shit).

However, a 1.8 Weapon becomes 1.37 with SnD + 1% Libram (1.8 / (1.3 * 1.1)), while it hits every 1,38 second with SnD only : the difference is very small and should be unable to actually deliver more DPS in most situations :

After 10s attacking a mob for instance, you'll have 7,29 hits with SnD + Arcanum, and 7,22 with SnD. Which means each of your attack will be a *little* earlier, but won't actually make any difference for now, since you won't have any extra attacks from the speed bonus yet.

Using the same example, one should have to wait around 139s of fight for the SnD + Arcanum combination to yield one more hit than SnD only (100.663, so 100 hits, versus 99.667, so 99).

Which means if you get out of range of your target for just a moment before 139s of fight, the Arcanum will have granted you 0 DPS.

And even if it does grant you that, then you'd have to compare it with the constant DPS gain of the +8 Agility Arcanum, which might be superior even if these conditions are met, which leads me to think the Arcanum of Rapidity is bullshit.

Am I missing something?

[The Shortest Path]

Nope, that's pretty accurate. Rapidity is really bad.

[Satanspoodle]

The actual spec includes Murder ofc, Ruthlessness has absolutly no value for Daggerspec.

Sorry for that mistake and thanks for finding it.

I was wondering that my self when i punched in this build, but i thought otto is tha man xD

You owe me 15g otto ! =)

[kaba]

Thx Youfie for your thorough reply!

Unfortunately I don't know how much skill the profiency items can give, but seeing as that green is lvl 55 req I'd imagine lvl 58 req having up to at least +7.

[Solmyr]

Youfie you are far more patient that I am with explanations. Whenever my guildies ask "Why are you using voracity over rapidity, my spreadsheets clearly tell me rapidity is 0.000000000000000001% better!!!" I do not have the nerve to educate them and just tell them to either trust me or do whatever they want . Now, if i remember it, I can link them this explanation the next time so they can finally shut up .

[Youfie]

Thx Youfie for your thorough reply!

Unfortunately I don't know how much skill the profiency items can give, but seeing as that green is lvl 55 req I'd imagine lvl 58 req having up to at least +7.

Apparently the "of proficiency" suffix was added with TBC (to be confirmed, just saw TaurenRogue saying it, with acutal links from archived DB & shit, seems legit), so they might be removed from the game soon.

Youfie you are far more patient that I am with explanations. Whenever my guildies ask "Why are you using voracity over rapidity, my spreadsheets clearly tell me rapidity is 0.000000000000000001% better!!!" I do not have the nerve to educate them and just tell them to either trust me or do whatever they want . Now, if i remember it, I can link them this explanation the next time so they can finally shut up .

Ahah feel free to do so

[sojs]

Does anyone know how Dense Sharpening Stone matches up vs Instant poison in terms of dps gain as a combat dagger rogue ?

[kaba]

Apparently the "of proficiency" suffix was added with TBC (to be confirmed, just saw TaurenRogue saying it, with acutal links from archived DB & shit, seems legit), so they might be removed from the game soon.

Yeah 1.7 was also mentioned so either way I don't think it should've been added yet. Let's see what the devs decide to do about it.