Rogue Guide by Oto

[Slicy]

Is the procrate like early peenix?

Could you correct/update the Current BiS List by adding Dragonfang Blade for MH as daggers as 1st option and Perdition's Blade as 2nd option ?

DFB results in more dps than Perdition's Blade with rest of gear being current BiS too once buffed (it remains true with ZG, as Hakkar's Heart buff is adding even more efficiency to DFB thanks to stats scaling).

Break that false years old knowledge about Perds being BiS which isn't even taking into account raiding environment, poison procs, etc.
It is not the current BiS.

You can also add 15 agi as a better option (by around 1 dps) / alternative to Superior Striking for MH dagger enchant.

[Stofzuigert]

awesome guide.

A noob question, just started a rogue and was wondering how to start with my talents. I want to do the combat dagger build in your post and I suppose I start with putting talents in the combat tree. Is this correct or do you advice another tree first?

[rekc]

Could you correct/update the Current BiS List by adding Dragonfang Blade for MH as daggers as 1st option and Perdition's Blade as 2nd option ?

DFB results in more dps than Perdition's Blade with rest of gear being current BiS too once buffed (it remains true with ZG, as Hakkar's Heart buff is adding even more efficiency to DFB thanks to stats scaling).

Break that false years old knowledge about Perds being BiS which isn't even taking into account raiding environment, poison procs, etc.
It is not the current BiS.

You can also add 15 agi as a better option (by around 1 dps) / alternative to Superior Striking for MH dagger enchant.

So does that mean DFB/CHT is BIS for dagger rogues? At what point does this take effect (is their a crit/hit level or Agi level)

[Youfie]

Could you correct/update the Current BiS List by adding Dragonfang Blade for MH as daggers as 1st option and Perdition's Blade as 2nd option ?

DFB results in more dps than Perdition's Blade with rest of gear being current BiS too once buffed (it remains true with ZG, as Hakkar's Heart buff is adding even more efficiency to DFB thanks to stats scaling).

Break that false years old knowledge about Perds being BiS which isn't even taking into account raiding environment, poison procs, etc.
It is not the current BiS.

You can also add 15 agi as a better option (by around 1 dps) / alternative to Superior Striking for MH dagger enchant.

So does that mean DFB/CHT is BIS for dagger rogues? At what point does this take effect (is their a crit/hit level or Agi level)

Yeah it's BiS, unless you reach the crit cap, at which point Perdition becomes a better MH. It doesn't seem to to take effect after a certain point, but *until* a point .

[fukanoshi]

What is actual crit cap for sword/dagger rogues. Besides that wanted to ask does using feint remove threat numbers on KTM addon?

[Youfie]

What is actual crit cap for sword/dagger rogues. Besides that wanted to ask does using feint remove threat numbers on KTM addon?

Feint *should* be shown on KTm, but it currently isn't, because there should be a combat log line stating "You perform Feint on [target]" which doesn't exist here on Nostalrius. Hopefully all these combat log bugs get fixed someday.

Regarding the crit cap, it depends on your +Hit (and thus on your +Skill too). With +13% hit (Gear + talent) and 310 Dagger Skill, I have a crit cap of something like 42%-ish, iirc.

[fukanoshi]

So basically feint works? For example, I have 10000 threat, perform feint and even if it's still shows 10000, it is actually 9200 (don't know the correct number it reduces). Thanks in advance

[Aslan]

So basically feint works? For example, I have 10000 threat, perform feint and even if it's still shows 10000, it is actually 9200 (don't know the correct number it reduces). Thanks in advance

It does work, I had quite some fun ping-ponging mobs around with that shitty tauren rogue . 600 it should be without the new rank coming with AQ and without any T2 bonus (didnt test that one yet)

[Youfie]

So basically feint works? For example, I have 10000 threat, perform feint and even if it's still shows 10000, it is actually 9200 (don't know the correct number it reduces). Thanks in advance

It does work, I had quite some fun ping-ponging mobs around with that shitty tauren rogue . 600 it should be without the new rank coming with AQ and without any T2 bonus (didnt test that one yet)

Yeah it works. I have not idea if the Talent and 5/8 T2 bonus work.

Also, I have no idea if a known-bug that existed on retail as of 1.12 exists on Nostalrius : threat modifiers would apply to threat reductions too, not only threat gains, causing the 600 threat of Feint to become 600 / 1.2 = 500 due to Rogues' passive threat reduction, and 600 / (1.2*1.3) = 385 with Salvation for instance.

I guess nobody ran proper tests here, but Feint in itself does work, yes. When you're very close to the Threat of someone, it's possible to lose aggro just by using Feint.

[fukanoshi]

So if I used 10 feints on Vaelstraz fight for example, my actual threat is 6000 less than it shows on KTM, right?