Rogue Guide by Oto

[Slicy]

Could you correct/update the Current BiS List by adding Dragonfang Blade for MH as daggers as 1st option and Perdition's Blade as 2nd option ?

DFB results in more dps than Perdition's Blade with rest of gear being current BiS too once buffed (it remains true with ZG, as Hakkar's Heart buff is adding even more efficiency to DFB thanks to stats scaling).

Break that false years old knowledge about Perds being BiS which isn't even taking into account raiding environment, poison procs, etc.
It is not the current BiS.

You can also add 15 agi as a better option (by around 1 dps) / alternative to Superior Striking for MH dagger enchant.

So does that mean DFB/CHT is BIS for dagger rogues? At what point does this take effect (is their a crit/hit level or Agi level)

Yeah it's BiS, unless you reach the crit cap, at which point Perdition becomes a better MH. It doesn't seem to to take effect after a certain point, but *until* a point .

I would say it's start to be BiS once you've gathered 80/90% of your BiS items with +hit available in current content. The best in slot gear would grant you enough +hit to make you push your white crit cap further, making your total agi once buffed worth it.
Keep in mind (my bad for not precising it though) that these calculations were made by using all raid buffs on alliance side (BoK being a major factor in DFB > Perd) and world buffs (DM, Rallying Cry, then these two + Spirit of the Zandalar).
I haven't tried really checked for Horde side, but since DFB is BiS with BoK & without Spirit of the Zandalar already, raiding with this world buff alone should make DFB better than Perd if you're Horde.
Even though the dps difference is very small between the two MH, it is good to know that Perdition's Blade isn't your one & only option (aka Perd doesn't drop during weeks but DFB is for instance).
The true BiS are R14 daggers, but most guides will not take this into account for obvious reasons.

[bockhorm]

I dont get it, how can DFB be better than Perdition's AFTER you are buffed and thereby crit capped? I can understand DFB being better than perdition's when you actually gain most relevant crit from the agi, but if you are already crit capped, then, surely, Perdition's has to be better?

[Youfie]

I dont get it, how can DFB be better than Perdition's AFTER you are buffed and thereby crit capped? I can understand DFB being better than perdition's when you actually gain most relevant crit from the agi, but if you are already crit capped, then, surely, Perdition's has to be better?

That's exactly what I said. Slicy basically added that since he takes into account all world buffs, he says that to make DFB worthwile, you need you need a lot of +Hit to have a high crit-cap, and thus to allow DFB to be better (long story short).

[Aslan]

Blizzlike sources on a full T2 procrate anyone?

[Slicy]

I dont get it, how can DFB be better than Perdition's AFTER you are buffed and thereby crit capped? I can understand DFB being better than perdition's when you actually gain most relevant crit from the agi, but if you are already crit capped, then, surely, Perdition's has to be better?

My bad, I wasn't precise enough in the previous post.

What makes DFB > Perd's fully buffed AND close to BiS isn't just the small crit you would gain by pushing your crit cap further thanks to a lot of Hit on gear.

It is also the fact it makes you push even further your total Agi (especially under the effects of BoK + Spirit of Zandalar) for more AP. The AP component buffing both your MH & OH base damage is what will compensate the higher base damage of Perd's and then deliver more dps in the end.

This is basically the same debate as +5 weap dmg vs +15 agi enchants. Surely, 5 weap dmg is great for starting raids and for pvp. Bigger Backstab dmg, can't go wrong with that. However if you look at the bigger picture once geared & buffed up you'll quickly realize 15 agi simply outperforms 5 weap dmg.

In short, DFB becomes better under 2 conditions (close to BiS geared and fully buffed) and for 2 reasons (more crit & more ap, which buff up your overall damage output more than the higher base dmg of Perd would).

[Grimmjob]

Hey Oto! I'm just wandring if you have a list of Nature res gear for rogues to AQ? or if you hany tips? My guild are putting together a nature res gear list for all classes and would be really help if you had one i could work out from or any suggetens Thanks mate ^^

Love fram Lille.

[Soyoen]

Hey Oto! I'm just wandring if you have a list of Nature res gear for rogues to AQ? or if you hany tips? My guild are putting together a nature res gear list for all classes and would be really help if you had one i could work out from or any suggetens Thanks mate ^^

Love fram Lille.

~Craftable~
0 of 1 [Bloodfang Chestpiece] // [Sylvan Vest] +100HP
0 of 1 [Stonebark Gauntlets] +7Agi
0 of 1 [Gaea's Embrace] +15NR
0 of 1 [Bramblewood Helm] +10NR
0 of 1 Bramblewood Belt]
0 of 1 [Bramblewood Boots] // [Drudge Boots] Minor Speed
0 of 1 [Sylvan Shoulders] // [Unnatural Leather Spaulders] +30AP // +5NR

~Quest Rewards~
0 of 1 [Cenarion Reservist's Leggings] +10NR
0 of 1 [Malfurion's Signet Ring] // [20+ NR Ring]
0 of 1 [Band of Cenarius]

~Drops~
0 of 2 [Heart of Noxxion]

[Viscidus Weapons]
Two of the following sets

0 of 2 [Sliverblade]
0 of 2 [Coldrage Dagger]
0 of 2 [Bonechill Hammer]
0 of 1 [Iceblade Hacker]
0 of 1 [Darrowspike]

[Aslan]

Hey Oto! I'm just wandring if you have a list of Nature res gear for rogues to AQ? or if you hany tips? My guild are putting together a nature res gear list for all classes and would be really help if you had one i could work out from or any suggetens Thanks mate ^^

Love fram Lille.

~Craftable~
0 of 1 [Bloodfang Chestpiece] // [Sylvan Vest] +100HP
0 of 1 [Stonebark Gauntlets] +7Agi
0 of 1 [Gaea's Embrace] +15NR
0 of 1 [Bramblewood Helm] +10NR
0 of 1 Bramblewood Belt]
0 of 1 [Bramblewood Boots] // [Drudge Boots] Minor Speed
0 of 1 [Sylvan Shoulders] // [Unnatural Leather Spaulders] +30AP // +5NR

~Quest Rewards~
0 of 1 [Cenarion Reservist's Leggings] +10NR
0 of 1 [Malfurion's Signet Ring] // [20+ NR Ring]
0 of 1 [Band of Cenarius]

~Drops~
0 of 2 [Heart of Noxxion]

[Viscidus Weapons]
Two of the following sets

0 of 2 [Sliverblade] Icy Chill
0 of 2 [Coldrage Dagger] Icy Chill
0 of 2 [Bonechill Hammer] Icy Chill
0 of 1 [Iceblade Hacker] Icy Chill
0 of 1 [Darrowspike] Icy Chill

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.11.0
Three new nature resist leather armor recipes have been added to the ghost leatherworker of Silithus for those with high Cenarion Circle reputation.
Three new nature resist plate recipes have been added to the merchants at Cenarion Hold for those with high Cenarion Circle reputation.
Four new nature resist cloth armor recipes have been added to the merchants at Cenarion Hold for those with high Cenarion Circle reputation.
New quests available in Zul'Gurub and Light's Hope Chapel for head and leg resistance enchantments.

Note: 1.11 is the naxx patch, 1.9 is AQ(?)

[Bluefear]

https://web.archive.org/web/20060814072 ... nature.htm

NR gear

[Soyoen]

Hey Oto! I'm just wandring if you have a list of Nature res gear for rogues to AQ? or if you hany tips? My guild are putting together a nature res gear list for all classes and would be really help if you had one i could work out from or any suggetens Thanks mate ^^

Love fram Lille.

~Craftable~
0 of 1 [Bloodfang Chestpiece] / [Chimeric Vest] +100HP
0 of 1 [Stonebark Gauntlets] +7Agi
0 of 1 Random cloak with +NR / Zephyr Cloak
0 of 1 Random belt with +NR
0 of 1 Random headpiece with +NR
0 of 1 Random boots with + NR or [Drudge Boots] or [Chimeric Boots] or [Fangdrip Runners] Minor Speed
0 of 1 [Unnatural Leather Spaulders] // [Phytoskin Spaulders] +30AP // +5NR

~Quest Rewards~
0 of 1 [Cenarion Reservist's Leggings] / [Crypt Stalker Leggings]
0 of 1 [Malfurion's Signet Ring] // [20+ NR Ring]
0 of 1 [Band of Cenarius]

~Drops~
0 of 2 [Heart of Noxxion]

[Viscidus Weapons]
Two of the following sets

0 of 2 [Sliverblade]
0 of 2 [Coldrage Dagger]
0 of 2 [Bonechill Hammer]
0 of 1 [Iceblade Hacker]
0 of 1 [Darrowspike]

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.11.0
Three new nature resist leather armor recipes have been added to the ghost leatherworker of Silithus for those with high Cenarion Circle reputation.
Three new nature resist plate recipes have been added to the merchants at Cenarion Hold for those with high Cenarion Circle reputation.
Four new nature resist cloth armor recipes have been added to the merchants at Cenarion Hold for those with high Cenarion Circle reputation.
New quests available in Zul'Gurub and Light's Hope Chapel for head and leg resistance enchantments.

Note: 1.11 is the naxx patch, 1.9 is AQ(?)

Right, corrected.