About leveling rogue

[ExeBack]

Could someone link combat sword talent tree, because I can't find anywhere.

[Vices]

Something like this: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fMgcoxZG0Ez0Vzxfo

[Warmani]

I have a question about rogue levelling specc as well:

I've read 2 guides, one saying to specc assassination early and respecc at (around 40) to combat.
The other one says combat early and continue with assassination later.

Both start with imp SS and end up with the levelling specc mentioned above.
But better to go Assassination + Combat
or Combat + Assassination

Which is best to level on Nostalrius (PvP server)?
- Least downtime (fastest levelling)
- Survivability in wPVP
- Multi purpose PvE/ PvP/grinding (occasional instance to gear up)

Or is the difference too small and does it only come down to a personal preference?

[BonnyZ]

Could someone link combat sword talent tree, because I can't find anywhere.

I think this is build most improoved http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fGezoxzZG0AbMVzxb

[Robotron]

Could someone link combat sword talent tree, because I can't find anywhere.

I think this is build most improoved http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fGezoxzZG0AbMVzxb

No Riposte? That's a joke, right?

Leveling spec: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fGxboxZG0Ez0Vzxfo

Raiding spec: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#f0efoxZGoVbbVzxfo

[Brinley]

I'd lvl in hemmo specc cuz I do (or did) pvp a lot. Not as fast as combat for leveling, but still effective, use bleeds if mob has high armor, np

Just make sure u'll have a heavy weapon, 2.7 +

[Beldukil]

Can you explain what you mean by heavy weapon? Can you post a hemo spec build?

[Brinley]

Can you explain what you mean by heavy weapon? Can you post a hemo spec build?

It has to do with the weapon speed

Look at these 2 weps for example

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=1728
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19352

Teebu has 178 max dmg but it's 2.9 speed, CTS has 198 max dmg and 2.6 speed
Considering that Teebu is heavier than CTS by 0.3, and the slower wep the better hemmo deals, it is said that Teebu is better than CTS in this spec

There was some website explaining these calculations and etc, but I have no clue where it is, I saw it long time ago

This is just to try to make you understand that in this case, the wep speed counts a lot, so that's why I reccomend a heavy wep, so at least 2.7+ (2.8 or 2.9)
1 handed weps with 1.8 - 2.0 ish speed will just tickle as you may imagine now

[AgentMulder]

Can you explain what you mean by heavy weapon? Can you post a hemo spec build?

It has to do with the weapon speed

Look at these 2 weps for example

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=1728
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19352

Teebu has 178 max dmg but it's 2.9 speed, CTS has 198 max dmg and 2.6 speed
Considering that Teebu is heavier than CTS by 0.3, and the slower wep the better hemmo deals, it is said that Teebu is better than CTS in this spec

There was some website explaining these calculations and etc, but I have no clue where it is, I saw it long time ago

This is just to try to make you understand that in this case, the wep speed counts a lot, so that's why I reccomend a heavy wep, so at least 2.7+ (2.8 or 2.9)
1 handed weps with 1.8 - 2.0 ish speed will just tickle as you may imagine now

Your example being used here is incorrect. In this case the CTS sword is the overall better sword to use. The logic behind using a "slow mainhand" is because the slower weapons generally have a larger damage range, or...a higher damage ceiling. DPS is just a calculation of that range over the weapon's speed, which is why slower weapons tend to do less dps, but higher damage per hit.

The CTS sword has a higher damage ceiling (198 vs. 178) and that's all that you really need to know. Our spells (Sinister Strike, Hemo, etc) are instant-cast...so they will do that weapon damage (plus whatever the spell adds). The fact that it's also a faster sword, in this specific example, is simply a bonus.

Robotron's builds are pretty much the standard, although you do have some personal variation. For example...as a Human rogue...you already have +5 weapon skill for swords and maces. You don't need +10 unless you're raiding against end-game bosses that are up 3 levels on you. So you may consider skipping out on Weapon Expertise and instead putting those two points into Endurance. Being able to use Evasion more often will allow you to come out of those multi-mob pulls...alive. And Sprint well...mounts are precious in Vanilla. Alot of players can't afford their 40-mount right away (some just wait until 60). So...moving faster while leveling is really nice. Again...this probably only works if you're a Human rogue.

Remorseless Attacks is a talent that you should have while leveling, not to mention the value it has when you do decide to world PvP (either by choice or not). Me personally...I grabbed Improved SS with my first two talent points and then immediately grabbed Remorseless with talent points 3 and 4, before switching back to combat on my way down to Blade Flurry.

[Brinley]

Your example being used here is incorrect. In this case the CTS sword is the overall better sword to use. The logic behind using a "slow mainhand" is because the slower weapons generally have a larger damage range, or...a higher damage ceiling. DPS is just a calculation of that range over the weapon's speed, which is why slower weapons tend to do less dps, but higher damage per hit.

The CTS sword has a higher damage ceiling (198 vs. 178) and that's all that you really need to know. Our spells (Sinister Strike, Hemo, etc) are instant-cast...so they will do that weapon damage (plus whatever the spell adds). The fact that it's also a faster sword, in this specific example, is simply a bonus.

No offense but hemmo doesn't work like Sinister Strike. SS is yes, based on wep dmg. For hemmo, wep speed does count a lot. A wep with 180 dmg 2.6 speed is much worse than a wep with 180 dmg and 2.8 speed. I already told the slower wep you have, the better hemmorage deals. That's why Teebu is better than CTS for hemmo. I didn't know about this either few time ago untill I saw some links and explanations about how this works. Maybe you should check it and find out before you judge me