BiS Pre-AQ, and Then Game

[Eyeful]

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?itemset=466

A good set, but not better than what was posted (imo).

ZG ring set = 1.2% crit, 1 hit, 78 ap.
List (pre-aq set) = 0.4% crit, 1 hit, 92 ap.

So the difference would be +0.8% crit and -14ap for the ZG set.


Also about the crit diminishing thing, it was more along the lines that agi and ap are more sought after towards endgame, because you're already going to be decked out on crit from talents, the gear, and buffs. Agi/ap would benefit you more than crit, because crit is only as strong as the AP supporting the damage. As a not so reliable source, when raiding here on my hunter, I was nearly the same gear level as the other hunters when starting into MC, yet I went with more crit over agi/ap, while 2 others went for agi/ap over crit stacking (we all had 9% hit). They won the meters over nearly everyone else.

[Gazpy]

because in MC it's hard to hit the crit sweetpot kinda as you don't deal that much dmg.
Anyways right now I deal 147.4 dps that means if I'll go 14 ap it's gonna make me do 148.4 dps, and with that 0.8% crit I would do 149.52~.
Not sure what 'crit' gear you went for, but yeah atm raw power is still at the 'same' power as crit, that won't be for long.

[Eyeful]

My hunt on nost atm.

As you can see, quite a bit of crit (~11% alone from gear, and another 5% from talents). I asked the other hunts who went for agi/ap, and while I was something like 5-6% crit above them, I was lacking around something like 60-90rap below them. As you can see also, I didn't get my hands on a blackcrow (tried, but always lost) which weapons affect a ton of your damage (tested with fellow gmate, and his AS crits were 200+ dmg more than mine). Though, others had the same wep as me, but went agi/ap too, them being basically the same dps I was at. I've always been told crit is good, but maintaining dps is better.

[Gazpy]

this is the raw difference between the 2 weapons you mentioned with aimed shot. (mortal shots)

Verdant Keeper
951,4 noncrit
1712,52 crit

Blackcrow
1028,4 noncrit
1851,12 crit

As you see the difference is great, and Also I think you lacked a bit more than 90 RaP. It's doubtful you attacked something without an armor.( If I add the 90 AP it's 1046,404 noncrit and 1883,5272 crit)

[Eyeful]

We were just taking turns in duels, sitting, and viewing our differences in crits. Since we both had nearly all mail on, we figured the armor was around the same. It wasn't a dead on accurate report, but just something we tried when we got bored.

But yeah, the wep was mainly the big reason why I was so far behind them. Though, as mentioned about the same people using the same wep gearing diff stats, I was maybe pulling ahead by a little, but not enough to warrant amassing crit a good thing. Will work itself out after they remove the 1.4 item stats, and people can zerg for the standard prebis/t1 sets.

[Gazpy]

problem is that Verdant keeper isn't really the weapon you want, I'd suggest some time to invest to get 10AB's and get the engineering weapon, might be even better than blackcrow, did not do any math about it but it seems like it's pretty much the same.
And yes crit can't be better for you atm.

[Eyeful]

Flawless arc rifle is really not a good sub. Blackcrow should be preforming better, and doesn't cost a new born baby to be sacrificed. I've put off playing till some new content is released anywise, as I don't really feel the need to spend months just being able to do MC/ony in the down time (1st azure kill was fun, but now I see it as a pain in the ass, and loot still is mishmosh). Might come back full time when AV or 1.12.1 stats hit. Till then, it's honestly a joke to be playing still unless you haven't hit 60 yet.

[Xsplicit]

Pre-AQ20/40
Rings :
Circle of Applied Force

Why on earth would you take Circle of Applied Force over Quick Strike Ring?

And hit cap should be 8.6%, requiring 9% hit to be capped.

Flawless arc rifle is really not a good sub. Blackcrow should be preforming better, and doesn't cost a new born baby to be sacrificed. I've put off playing till some new content is released anywise, as I don't really feel the need to spend months just being able to do MC/ony in the down time (1st azure kill was fun, but now I see it as a pain in the ass, and loot still is mishmosh). Might come back full time when AV or 1.12.1 stats hit. Till then, it's honestly a joke to be playing still unless you haven't hit 60 yet.

Flawless Arcanite Rifle should be doing better dps than Blackcrow as long as you Clip it.

[Eyeful]

QSR : 30ap, 1c
CoAP : 44ap, 0.4c

You gain 14ap, but lose 0.6% crit. Imo the AP was better, and I also wanted to add when doing these calcs I was playing as Alliance, which have BoK, which further pushed the 22agi an extra 4.4ap & 0.04% crit. Not that the very little crit mattered, as I was after the AP.

Also never said Flawless Arc was bad, just really bad in terms of cost to performance. Blackcrow does just fine, and technically with gear as it is right now, the riffle would be on par with blackcrow in terms of dmg, but it loses 1% hit since we are using 1.4 item stats.

1.4 flawless arc
1.4 blackcrow

Not to mention, basically waste 10 arc bars, since once either AV launches, or they put items into the cache, all hunters are going to be using Bloodseeker / Hunt leaf bow.


Edit : Forgot to address the 8% hit issue. Or did I?

To also note, if you do not trust 8% hit, you can just use the 3% scope to get 11% hit. More than enough.

[Xsplicit]

QSR : 30ap, 1c
CoAP : 44ap, 0.4c

You gain 14ap, but lose 0.6% crit. Imo the AP was better, and I also wanted to add when doing these calcs I was playing as Alliance, which have BoK, which further pushed the 22agi an extra 4.4ap & 0.04% crit. Not that the very little crit mattered, as I was after the AP.

Also never said Flawless Arc was bad, just really bad in terms of cost to performance. Blackcrow does just fine, and technically with gear as it is right now, the riffle would be on par with blackcrow in terms of dmg, but it loses 1% hit since we are using 1.4 item stats.

1.4 flawless arc
1.4 blackcrow

Not to mention, basically waste 10 arc bars, since once either AV launches, or they put items into the cache, all hunters are going to be using Bloodseeker / Hunt leaf bow.


Edit : Forgot to address the 8% hit issue. Or did I?

To also note, if you do not trust 8% hit, you can just use the 3% scope to get 11% hit. More than enough.

Well I don't know where you're getting your numbers from but 0.6% crit is worth more dps than 14 ap. With BoK the ring might just be reaching on par with Quick Strike Ring, but still not something you should take when you already have the other.

There's no situation in which you would want to use the hit scope on your weapon, you lose too much dps in the process. It's fairly easy to get 9% hit from gear. And let me just re-iterate you need that 9%, you don't want to be causing your group to wipe because your tranq shot missed.

And Flawless Rifle is the best weapon available right now, especially for a dwarf. It would have been worth making it 2 months ago, but with AV on the horizon perhaps not. I would still make it if I were a dwarf though.