What are hunters really good for?

[zerf]

the work hunters excell at is Kiting and Control of the fight, if you don't control the fight DPS is useless anyways.

What do you mean with "control"?

[Theloras]

Hunters are brought for Trueshot Aura and Tranq Shot - that's it.

Their DPS is the worst of all "pure DPS classes" and actually worse than Retribution - that was just the way things were on Peenix - here on Nostalrius it's slightly different as Ret's bugs are even worse, but the overall statement still stands.

I'm not saying that to be a prick or to $hit on Hunters as a class - it was just a general consensus among players that their DPS was quite low compared to Pures and in my particular case when I raided on Peenix as Retribution, their DPS was lower than mine on most if not all encounters.

everyone who rolls hunter is not coming from 'I will be the best dps' land, the work hunters excell at is Kiting and Control of the fight, if you don't control the fight DPS is useless anyways.
Calling like TSA and Tranq shot is surely truth in some enviroments, giving 4 other melees howl gonna increase their dps aswell, it won't be shown in hunter dps that doesn't mean they are subpar to Retri Paladins??? that give no benefits of being in melee group, or remind me what benefit they are bringing to the melee group they are in, and don't worry you are not the only bugged one, one day I dream of giving my pet stat buff and actually getting the dmg boost, not giving him less dmg by adding him 30 str from juju and lessening his DPS by like 0.1, fuck logic indeed.

IIRC - didn't blizzard add pet scaling with hunter stats during TBC, not Vanilla? Again, I'm no hunter expert, so not sure on that, but I think that's why Peenix removed pet scaling last year as a result.

As far as Hunters being lower than Retribution on DPS, all of the hunters were well below me whenever I raided as Ret on Peenix. I'm not saying that they weren't useful in their "utility" as you put it, but so was I as I brought another blessing to all 40 people, off healing if $hit hit the fan, decent DPS (7-14 on average while the hunters were all last) and the best AoE tank in the game.

I agree with you that people should look at the big picture of what people bring overall and not focus on black and white min/max stats of what SWS shows. But I disagree with you on how badly bugged Hunters are compared to Paladins here on Nostalrius. With Consecration taking up a hidden debuff, a Ret Paladin is losing at least 100-150 DPS as it won't tick at all. Likewise, with only 8 debuff slots, if he tries to put up Judgement of the Crusader and try DPSing with Seal of Command, he will get yelled at for taking up a useless debuff slot.

[Overtime]

Stop comparing things to feenix, please. Pets scaled there with their owned stats, like in TBC. Here they have locked stats, buffs do nothing - simply was a fix to what they were before, better but still broken.

Volley is also hidden debuff, no aoe for us. Also no hunter's mark for us.

And never generalize dps to a class, it really is minority that knows how to min max. But no need for special snowflakes.

[Theloras]

Stop comparing things to feenix, please. Pets scaled there with their owned stats, like in TBC. Here they have locked stats, buffs do nothing - simply was a fix to what they were before, better but still broken.

Volley is also hidden debuff, no aoe for us. Also no hunter's mark for us.

And never generalize dps to a class, it really is minority that knows how to min max. But no need for special snowflakes.

As I said, I wasn't 100% sure seeing as I don't play the class - Peenix is the most relevant private server to compare to seeing as most of us used to play there. Hunters don't use Volley in their single target rotation compared to Rets who use Consecration for both AoE and single target DPS.

[dukeletoII]

Stop comparing things to feenix, please. Pets scaled there with their owned stats, like in TBC. Here they have locked stats, buffs do nothing - simply was a fix to what they were before, better but still broken.

Volley is also hidden debuff, no aoe for us. Also no hunter's mark for us.

And never generalize dps to a class, it really is minority that knows how to min max. But no need for special snowflakes.

What do you mean Volley is a hidden debuff and no hunters mark?

[Theloras]

Stop comparing things to feenix, please. Pets scaled there with their owned stats, like in TBC. Here they have locked stats, buffs do nothing - simply was a fix to what they were before, better but still broken.

Volley is also hidden debuff, no aoe for us. Also no hunter's mark for us.

And never generalize dps to a class, it really is minority that knows how to min max. But no need for special snowflakes.

What do you mean Volley is a hidden debuff and no hunters mark?

All AoE is bugged on Nostalrius and taking up a hidden debuff slot - meaning that it never has a chance to tick if all 8 debuff slots are already up.

Similarly, with only 8 debuff slots currently active, Hunter's Mark is not wanted by most/all guilds to be used until 16 debuff slots are enabled.

[dukeletoII]

Ahh okay. Thanks for the clarification!

[zerf]

All AoE is bugged on Nostalrius and taking up a hidden debuff slot - meaning that it never has a chance to tick if all 8 debuff slots are already up.

Not all, but most. For example, hellfire and arcane explosion work just fine.

[Theloras]

All AoE is bugged on Nostalrius and taking up a hidden debuff slot - meaning that it never has a chance to tick if all 8 debuff slots are already up.

Not all, but most. For example, hellfire and arcane explosion work just fine.

True - good point

[dagochen]

Take a handful (or better more than that) oof FULL T2 Hunters and they all do more dps than any other class, thanks to stacking +450 RAP.