The best hunter race?

[Kazarak]

FD meld and then watch your BM pet solo casters for the lulz can't be beat!

Another question on this: Why FD and the Meld? Is one or the other not enough? Do you need both to be untargetable?

[chunass]

FD meld and then watch your BM pet solo casters for the lulz can't be beat!

Another question on this: Why FD and the Meld? Is one or the other not enough? Do you need both to be untargetable?

FD is just to get out of combat, since you can't shadowmeld while in combat. But of course you can just send your pet in and shadowmeld before it puts you in combat, if you want to do that :p

[Kazarak]

Dwarves almost never get to use their gun skill in raids though, since no gun is ever BiS.

Don't the crafted bullets from Engineering at least give guns some extra DPS over bows and crossbows?

[Seanimoose]

You can convert them into arrows, so nope.

[Kazarak]

So, any testimonials from high level Dwarf Hunters as to why Dwarfs are better than Night Elves? Quite a few people have chimed in on why Elves are the better choice.

[Fey]

Another question on this: Why FD and the Meld? Is one or the other not enough? Do you need both to be untargetable?

Someone can re-target you if you just have Feign Death. With stealth + FD, you can drop out of combat AND be untargetable. In one case, the hunter can't really hide and their pet will only be a distraction. In the other, no one will ever know where you are while your pissed-off pet mauls them to death.

Also, while questing, there may be instances where you end up in the middle of a ton of mobs, and you need to use Feign Death multiple times. However, Feign Death's CD doesn't start ticking down from 30 seconds until after you get up. So, with Shadowmeld, you can FD in an inconspicuous corner, then go right into a Shadowmeld. When you're nice and healed up, you can run right off and your FD will be off CD again.

[Kazarak]

Another thread got distracted with this one. For anyone keeping up with the discussion:

dwarf >night elf in pvp ,imo

stoneform and 10 frost resist is gg.

And shadowmeld blows in instanced pvp unless ur a pussy and only open up on some random scrub horde. Dwarf is great when you are incombat like 23/7 which is what a hunter is all about, controlling mid

Aren't a lot of Rogue effects poison based? And the +10 FR should help against Mages.

Although, the 8 additional starting Agility of NEs should help with both AC and DPS.

Yes stoneform shits on them so badly its not even funny. Its your anti blind counter, anti poison and anti bleed.

due to stoneform my 39 twink hunter regulary destroys 60 UD shitter rogues 1vs1(something I wouldn't be able to do as a nondwarf because they would blind and get a free restealth)

[Skiplegday]

Stoneform is pretty nasty for pvp, especially against rogues.
Shadowmeld is kinda like a stand still vanish, if you combine it with fd.

In my opinion the ne and dwarf race don't take a lot from each other.

[Overtime]

It boils down to your pvp playstyle. NE for afk, dwarf for aggressive.

Sure FD & meld is nice but often they just deadzone you.

[Fey]

It boils down to your pvp playstyle. NE for afk, dwarf for aggressive.

Sure FD & meld is nice but often they just deadzone you.

You can still be incredibly aggressive with a night elf. Just because an enemy deadzones you doesn't mean you can't Shadowmeld effectively. Spec into CC and slam a charging warrior with Scatter Shot! Drop freezing traps around, intimidate someone who's way too close for comfort, be smart about your CC. All you need to do then is play with their expectations. Like in STVietnam, some shaman I probably couldn't win against at the time given his level was trying to gank me, and I very thankfully got a freezing trap off on him. After running over a hill, seemingly in one direction, I simply darted in a completely different direction after I was out of his sight, and melded, allowing me to stay completely safe. Just remember to send your pet away after some mob in the distance or something if you intend to hide and recuperate. In the case of feigning death to Shadowmeld aggressively, perhaps it's best to have your pet on the enemy player so that when you drop from their target, your pet becomes their main target, and as they come facechecking around for you, you can trap them with the freezing trap or whatever you laid down between FD and Shadowmeld, and set up more effectively for a burst combo in a better position. If they get on your pet instead, you can safely aimed shot from cover! That's another great thing about Shadowmeld, you can aimed shot right out of it and it startles people. Shadowmeld is all about playing with peoples' expectations and getting the upper hand through stealth; that's why I'm specced for lots of crit and CC, and melee versatility, so that I can be flexible in a combat situation and am most effective performing hit-and-runs, and so that if I happen to wind up in a position I don't want to be in, I have a nice array of tools to get out of that position with. Dwarves might benefit most from the Survivalist talent, because they haven't many effective stealthy options compared to a night elf, and thus won't benefit from certain talents as much as a night elf would, but a night elf I'd say would definitely do better with other bursty or CC-related talents, so that you can go hard all-in when you ambush someone. There are lots of creative uses for traps, stealth, pet control to throw the enemy off, and more out there. It really comes down to your playstyle, of course, and players who master their preferred tactics, no matter what they are, are usually a great threat on the battlefield, so whatever you do decide upon, work with what you've got and stick to it, improving based on common sense, class knowledge, and other things as you learn!