Endgame (PvE) Shadowpriest at Nostalrius

[sloasdaylight]

Procs will be higher if you use MindBlasts on CD. Same as "mana spent" .

Not casting MindBlast on CD will not make huge difference on "mana spent" because you will maybe benefit 1k mana maximum over 180 seconds .

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You're so wrong you actually made me do math, I hope you're happy.

Based on the math above (which seems more or less accurate) we have the following datapoints to work with:
Using MB on rotation ≈ 810 mana returned over a 180 second period - 48 Mind Flays, 24 Mind Blasts for 72 total chances to proc the card's effect
Not using MB at all ≈ 675 mana returned over a 180 second period. - 60 Mind Flays
Mana returned difference ≈ 135 over 180 seconds.
Now look at the mana cost for the spells:
Mind Flay mana cost = 205
Mind Blast mana cost = 350

So looking at the mana cost to use those rotations, we have the following values:
MB on rotation = 9840 mana for MF, 8400 mana for MB. Total cost: 18240 - 810 ≈ 17430 over 180s.
No MF at all = 12300 mana for MF. Total cost: 12300 - 675 ≈ 11625 over 180s.

So with just some simple napkin math (again, only looking at these two spells, since SW:P and VE applications are the same cost for each rotation) we can see that in order to potentially regain an additional approximate 135 mana from the Blue Dragon card, you would have to expend an extra 5805 mana over a 180 second window.

[smilkovpetko]

Procs will be higher if you use MindBlasts on CD. Same as "mana spent" .

Not casting MindBlast on CD will not make huge difference on "mana spent" because you will maybe benefit 1k mana maximum over 180 seconds .

Howtopriest.com is the web admin that "paid money" to buy shadowpriest.com

Try to search their Forums Archives.

You're so wrong you actually made me do math, I hope you're happy.

Based on the math above (which seems more or less accurate) we have the following datapoints to work with:
Using MB on rotation ≈ 810 mana returned over a 180 second period - 48 Mind Flays, 24 Mind Blasts for 72 total chances to proc the card's effect
Not using MB at all ≈ 675 mana returned over a 180 second period. - 60 Mind Flays
Mana returned difference ≈ 135 over 180 seconds.
Now look at the mana cost for the spells:
Mind Flay mana cost = 205
Mind Blast mana cost = 350

So looking at the mana cost to use those rotations, we have the following values:
MB on rotation = 9840 mana for MF, 8400 mana for MB. Total cost: 18240 - 810 ≈ 17430 over 180s.
No MF at all = 12300 mana for MF. Total cost: 12300 - 675 ≈ 11625 over 180s.

So with just some simple napkin math (again, only looking at these two spells, since SW:P and VE applications are the same cost for each rotation) we can see that in order to potentially regain an additional approximate 135 mana from the Blue Dragon card, you would have to expend an extra 5805 mana over a 180 second window.

Then again you gain far more dps for this cost and if you use swp you will get more often procs ,
+ your calculation for 180 doesn't match at all for some reason .

25 Mindblasts can be used over 180 seconds and far more Mindflay's clips (casts) , now add the extra shadow word pain.

I don't talk about "full mindflay channel" , i talk about interruptions in order to cast swp or mb.
I know that mana will be wasted more but you get more procs and more dps.
p.s exclude vampiric embrace because is pointless to use.

+ Calculate 1 free MindBlast because of "Inner Focus".

anyway i didn't notice you talk only about the trinket , then i avoid to see that you are not counting mana regen from abilities and spirit .
sorry .

well this make my "theory" go for int/spirit gear instead spell damage gear work much efficient when i see this numbers . Thanks for this Theory.

Can you provide me math which is calculated every GCD, MB on CD , SWP . ? (with 5/5 MB)

Start the rotation with MB - SWP - MF (interrupt MF tick anytime MB is ready)

Example : MB-SWP-MF (2tick)-MF (2tick)-MB-MF (3tick)-MF (3tick)-MB-MF (3tick)-MF (3tick)-MB-SWP-MF (2tick)-MF (2tick)- repeat 3ticks etcs.

[sloasdaylight]

Jesus Christ.

Inner focus for mind blast? Are you deficient? IF gets used on SW:P or DP if you're undead, because they're your most mana expensive spells not mind blast.

And no shit using Mind Blast on CD is your highest DPS rotation, I don't know how many times I have to say that, but it is also your most mana inefficient, which is the second half of the equation for a shadow priest - mana efficiency, something you're neglecting en-fucking-tirely with your idiotic clipping of MF after two ticks every cast.

Listen bud, I'm going to say this in as plain English as I possibly can. Each point of intellect gives you 15 mana. Mind blast eats up 350 per cast. To fit an additional mind blast into your rotation you need an extra 24 int. Go ahead and show me how you can possibly find enough int gear to allow you to cast MB on cooldown over the course of a 3 minute encounter. Protip, you can't. Every time you clip a MF after 2 ticks you're pissing away 69 mana.

Spirit doesn't work because you're ALWAYS casting (well, a decent SP will be, you'll be wanding most of the time), so you're getting shit regen from it. And then you have the super low spell damage values you'll have since you're stacking INT and SPI gear, which doesn't have much spell dmg on it because it's all healer gear with +healing.

[Gazpy]

can you actually clip mindflay in vanilla? Clip like you do 2 ticks recast and the 1st will happen in the time the 3rd would?

[sloasdaylight]

Assuming things are scripted properly here, yes you can. That's why addons like Quartz were created. Depending on your latency, you could clip your cast before the animation completed and the spell would still finish channeling.

[smilkovpetko]

Go ahead and show me how you can possibly find enough int gear to allow you to cast MB on cooldown over the course of a 3 minute encounter.

Tell me how many fights are 180 Seconds that doesn't got multi target for Spirit Tap?

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=15307

Molten core

Lucifron = You can multidot and lifetap can proc = 88 seconds fight
Magmadar = 1 target fight and you might eat fear = 129 seconds fight
Gehenas = You can multidot and lifetap can proc = 78 seconds fight
Garr = Extreme multidot and high chance to lifetap proc = 346 seconds fight
Baron Geddon = You might stop dpsing sometime to run away= 135 seconds fight
Shazzrah = You might stop sometime for tanks rebuild aggro = 101 seconds fight
Sulfuron Harbinger = Extreme multidot and high chance to lifetap proc = 129 seconds fight
Golemagg the Incinerator = 1 target fight = 167 seconds fight
Majordomo Executus = Extreme multidot and high chance to lifetap proc = 200 seconds fight
Ragnaros = casual multidot fight and high chance lifetap to proc = 318 seconds fight

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=15301

Onyxia = Extreme multidot and extreme chance to lifetap proc = 281 seconds fight


With full Intellect gear and spirit + some spell damage gear as bonus

you would survive with mana on all these fights without any problems at all
by Casting 5/5 MB on CD. and Full dpsing to do crazy amount of dps!

now give me the list of very bis (INT+SPIRIT) gear that has some spell damage in it?

Start your math and tell me how much mana you would go and spend on these fights.

Include elixirs + major mana pots + demonic runes with it ^

Don't just talk nonsense about 180 seconds fight therefore ignoring/avoiding that we got strong mana regeneration from lifetap in such long fights.

Thus even with lower spell damage on you , prioritise and cast on cd MindBlast will always bring you lot more dps Than 1 tick MindFlay.