Endgame (PvE) Shadowpriest at Nostalrius

[varth]

Right now even with BiS gear shadowpriests don't do a lot of dps on bosses. The biggest item for them is the Blue Dragon trinket because it provides so much mana regen and spriests are gated primarily by mana on most fights. Once the debuff limit goes up + the darkmoon trinkets are in a spriest starts really pulling their weight.

[Syphonize]

For what it's worth, in the current set of raids available, most fights don't really last too long so the mana issues are much less severe.

[Zaft]

Right now even with BiS gear shadowpriests don't do a lot of dps on bosses. The biggest item for them is the Blue Dragon trinket because it provides so much mana regen and spriests are gated primarily by mana on most fights. Once the debuff limit goes up + the darkmoon trinkets are in a spriest starts really pulling their weight.

There are way better trinkets out there for sp, not worth investing into that trinket. Should be fine with consumables.

[varth]

There really isn't a better trinket than blue dragon until later especially when the trinket is first available it will be bis unless you score a toep or neltharian tear. Sure if you chug major mana potions non stop you will be fine, have fun sustaining that every week.

[Zaft]

There really isn't a better trinket than blue dragon until later especially when the trinket is first available it will be bis unless you score a toep or neltharian tear. Sure if you chug major mana potions non stop you will be fine, have fun sustaining that every week.

If you can't keep up with the consumables then you shouldn't really be raiding, at least not in a serious guild. That's not to say that you should spam it on bosses you have on farm, but you get the point.

I would much more prefer Zandalarian Hero Charm or Talisman of Ephemeral Power in conjunction with Neltharion's Tear. For long fights: Shard of the Scale.

[Syphonize]

There really isn't a better trinket than blue dragon until later especially when the trinket is first available it will be bis unless you score a toep or neltharian tear. Sure if you chug major mana potions non stop you will be fine, have fun sustaining that every week.

Shard of the Scale is available right now and is arguably better. In fact, since your gear will likely not have very much Spirit, I'm going to guess that Blue Dragon will not be quite as good, but I haven't done the math. If you have done the math and/or know a place where it's been done, please share!

EDIT: I ended up doing the math myself. It appears that I was wrong. DMF Card seemingly does result in a better return than any other Trinket currently. This is assuming you actually are in a fight where you have the possibility to OOM yourself, of course. I approximated it a little, since I am yet unclear on what spells actually are capable of procing the effect. If I am wrong on this, proc strength would be much weaker.

[Proctologist]

BiS shadowpriest for PvE atm is Briarwood and ony shard/mindtap talisman next trinket upgrade is Nefarian tear + hakkar trinket.


And darkmoon faire card does not work with mindflay ticks or swp ticks, it can proc on MB but that's pretty low chance, it's not even out yet and most likely it will be a bugged proc, too little or too much... We'll see with some 1000 spells casted theorycrafting proc %

anyway, the 11mp5 from mindtap or 14(16 after patch 1.6) mp5 from ony scale trinket are better.

and to succesfully raid as SP you'll have to pop major mana + dark/demonic runes on cd, aka a rotation... e.g popping major mana after u lose 2k mana, dark rune after 1.5k mana lost after that, etc etc... You could make macro for superior+major mana pot as well... Worked on retail + feenix just like the double trinket macros mages used.....

you can do pretty decent as SP in raids, proof.
http://i.imgur.com/qXWNOms.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CHFHAtU.jpg


aaaanyway



peace

[smilkovpetko]

I'd rather use 1 shadow priest over 3 warlocks in group. (DPS wise).

If fight consist of 1+ Target then there is no doubt who will benefit the most. = shadow priest with multidots.

All talk about "oom" , well go for full intellect and spirit gear then oom will no longer be your problem.

Beside the fact people priority Mindflay over everything is wrong rotation.
Mindblast gives you the most with highest dps (with crit gear even higher than that) and if it is used on cd , then you most likely time to time allow 1 of your debuff slots free .

i really don't know where from you get this facts "spriest does low dps" but you have no evidence at all since you limit the person that plays spriest.
Even screenshots you give doesn't show the person rotation used.

[sloasdaylight]

I'd rather use 1 shadow priest over 3 warlocks in group. (DPS wise).

If fight consist of 1+ Target then there is no doubt who will benefit the most. = shadow priest with multidots.

All talk about "oom" , well go for full intellect and spirit gear then oom will no longer be your problem.

Beside the fact people priority Mindflay over everything is wrong rotation.
Mindblast gives you the most with highest dps (with crit gear even higher than that) and if it is used on cd , then you most likely time to time allow 1 of your debuff slots free .

i really don't know where from you get this facts "spriest does low dps" but you have no evidence at all since you limit the person that plays spriest.
Even screenshots you give doesn't show the person rotation used.

Hitting mindblast on every CD will make you run out of mana so quick your head will spin. Yes, it's good for DPS as its the hardest hitting ability you have, but it's also combined with super high aggro attached to it, isn't as mana efficient as Mindflay, and doesn't do as much damage as SW:P over it's duration. Mindflay -> Minflayx2 is a good rotation for a burst phase or fight, like Vael, but it will run out oom in most other fights way early, and since mana is already a problem for shadow priests in Vanilla, you're really better off not using it except when you can.

As far as gearing, I have no idea where you're getting your information from, but stacking spirit is useless since you're never out of the 5 second rule and mana regen while casting is god awful, and stacking int is also useless because it only increases your maximum mana, which doesn't count for much, ultimately. SP need to stack damage over pretty much anything else, followed closely by +mp5 gear, and then hit. Picking up any +crit gear (for mindblast? really?) is doing your raid's warlocks and mages a massive disservice, don't do it.

[Proctologist]

jesus christ some of have never really played an SP have you..

don't spec into imp MB for a pve spec, you either go full pve or full pvp if u wanna play SP properly, there's no inbetween.

spd > hit > mp5 > spirit > intellect

swp r1 spam for 4/5 vuln, max rank swp, IF(can use it for SWP if you'd like, or DP if you're horde/ud) > MB > 3x MF > MB > 3x MF > MB > Swp > repeat

Use first major mana when you drop a bit below 2000 mana used, then a rune after you lost 1500mana from that pot, haven't tried it out but you can also make a macro for major+superior+greater mana potion to pop them simultaneously, same with demonic + dark rune..
Worked on feenix, retail and few other private servers.. (Guess you guys remember the 6k pom pyro gnome mage in retail vanilla? 2x trinkets macro)


play SP properly and you'll be a god.

if you have questions I suggest you ask Mena in <NOPE>, his expertise is better than mine.