Endgame (PvE) Shadowpriest at Nostalrius

[sloasdaylight]

why would aggro from mindblast be a problem if you have 3 points on shadow and 5 points on discipline that reduce it? + salvation from paladin + fade ?.

as i said about mana is not issue if you go for intellect gear , intellect will increase crit too .
also inner focus is bonus 1 crit and free mindblast if you macro that.

it is far more damage and efficient than 1 wasted tick of mindflay .

+ it is far much better toward bosses that does "aoe interruptions" .

Vampiric embrace heals only the group you are in (maximum 5 people) and it heals for damn nothing .
it is wasted 1 debuff slot that can be used for enormous dps increase for everyone by warlocks or mages or tanks.
and the worse is that vampiric embrace is not affected by shadow damage aggro reduce and this will cause many aggro issues .

Yes, VE only heals the group you're in, which is why good raid leaders put a shadowpriest in the group that will be taking the most damage, tanks, for example, or warlocks who lifetap, or melee dps like rogues/fury warriors who might take aoe damage.

as i said about mana is not issue if you go for intellect gear , intellect will increase crit too .
also inner focus is bonus 1 crit and free mindblast if you macro that.

it is far more damage and efficient than 1 wasted tick of mindflay .

+ it is far much better toward bosses that does "aoe interruptions" .

I'm through with you. I raided as a shadowpriest in Vanilla, and spent hours theory crafting on shadowpriest.com. If you want to keep thinking that stacking intellect is the way to go, then you go right ahead.

[sloasdaylight]

Does Mental Agility not work with Mind Flay in vanilla? I see people keep citing it only benefits sw:p. I know MA worked with MF in BC.

It does not, or at least it shouldn't. If Mental Agility affected Mind Flay, then the entire argument changes.

[Syphonize]

What does Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon procs work off of? Can it proc off a SW: P application? Does it proc on a Mind Flay application? I would very much like to get the behavior of this trinket straight

[sloasdaylight]

What does Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon procs work off of? Can it proc off a SW: P application? Does it proc on a Mind Flay application? I would very much like to get the behavior of this trinket straight

If my memory of the trinket is correct, it can be triggered by the application of each ability, not teach tick. I.E. SW:P gives you 1 chance every 30 seconds to trigger the effect, not 10. Mind Flay similarly gives you 1 chance every 3 seconds, not 3.

It's been quite some time since I played vanilla (obviously), and shadowpriest.com has gone the way of the dodo, so I can't comb through their archives, but if I'm remembering correctly, it's an okish trinket if you can get it for cheap, for long fights at early gear levels (when your spirit may still be fairly high) but it's not something you should drop a whole mess of gold on.

[Proctologist]

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BiS shadowpriest for PvE atm is Briarwood and ony shard/mindtap talisman next trinket upgrade is Nefarian tear + hakkar trinket.

[Syphonize]

@ sloasdaylight : Thank you for the clarification! Of course, we don't know yet if that's going to be the trinket's behavior on this server, but it's enough to get me started.

@ Proctologist : I did see your earlier post, but my question was unrelated to what trinket was the best trinket to wear. I merely wanted to be able to simulate the trinket's behavior.

Long-ish math, please correct it if I am wrong somewhere.

Going to assume this is a 180 second duration fight.

Assuming 250 spirit (roughly how much spirit my priest has), the spirit regen per tick is 250/4 + 12.5 which is 75 mana every 2 seconds. (Spirit regen is calc'd by Spirit/4 + 12.5 for Priests)

Therefore a single Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon proc roughly provides 75 * 7.5 which is 562.5 mana. This is taking the 15 second duration and making spirit tick every 2 seconds.

Ignoring SW:P applications and assuming we repeat Mind Blast -> Mind Flay x 2 every 7.5 seconds, we have 3 chances to proc the effect every 7.5 seconds, or 24 chances per minute, or 72 chances in a 180 second fight.

Therefore, DMF will give us 72*2%*562.5 = 810 mana (2% chance to proc, 72 chances to proc)

This 810 mana is over 180 seconds, which is 4.5 mana per second, or 22.5 MP5?

Napkin math seems to suggest DMF has more MP5 than Shard of the Scale. Am I missing something here?

[sloasdaylight]

The math looks like it checks out, but remember that you're casting a LOT to get that number, and casting mind blast on CD is going to cost you a lot of mana, and might wind up ultimately costing you more net mana than a more conservative casting rotation.

[Syphonize]

The math looks like it checks out, but remember that you're casting a LOT to get that number, and casting mind blast on CD is going to cost you a lot of mana, and might wind up ultimately costing you more net mana than a more conservative casting rotation.

So, assuming we don't cast MB on CD and simply stick to a Mind Flay rotation, that suggests 1 chance to proc every 3 seconds, or 20 chances to proc every minute, or 60 chances to proc in a 180 second duration.

Modifying my math, DMF gives us 60*2%*562.5 = 675 mana.

675 mana is 3.75 mana per second, or 18.75 MP5, which still beats Shard of the Scale, although the margin is much smaller, of course.

In reality, the proc chance would be slightly higher if I took SW: P applications into account. Of course, this is a proc and is therefore plagued by RNG and all that fun stuff, but math suggests that it would average out to be more?

Thank you for this discussion. I really miss shadowpriest.com

[sloasdaylight]

If you got the full duration from each application. Now granted the chances for a lot of procs overlapping is low, but it still exists. All in all, like I said, it's an ok-ish trinket, but don't bankrupt yourself on it. From a pure DPS perspective, ToEP and briarwood are better.

[smilkovpetko]

The math looks like it checks out, but remember that you're casting a LOT to get that number, and casting mind blast on CD is going to cost you a lot of mana, and might wind up ultimately costing you more net mana than a more conservative casting rotation.

So, assuming we don't cast MB on CD and simply stick to a Mind Flay rotation, that suggests 1 chance to proc every 3 seconds, or 20 chances to proc every minute, or 60 chances to proc in a 180 second duration.

Modifying my math, DMF gives us 60*2%*562.5 = 675 mana.

675 mana is 3.75 mana per second, or 18.75 MP5, which still beats Shard of the Scale, although the margin is much smaller, of course.

In reality, the proc chance would be slightly higher if I took SW: P applications into account. Of course, this is a proc and is therefore plagued by RNG and all that fun stuff, but math suggests that it would average out to be more?

Thank you for this discussion. I really miss shadowpriest.com

Procs will be higher if you use MindBlasts on CD. Same as "mana spent" .

Not casting MindBlast on CD will not make huge difference on "mana spent" because you will maybe benefit 1k mana maximum over 180 seconds .

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