Whats the best race for lock iyo?

[Numi]

Horde unless you wanna constantly struggle in a chaotic ocean of constant WoTF's and Tremor totems.

IF you're feeling adventurous and not lame, roll a gnome fo shur tho

Dealing with them isn't a major issue though, get a quick wand and a decent macro and it's gg vs totems, WotF is a bummer, but rarely a big deal, don't let that decide your faction for you, play what you enjoy.

[Aethelwulf]

I remember playing an alliance lock in vanilla WoW back during the Warlock's lowest point in 1.4. The honor system just got released, seduce and fear were put on the same DR, PvP trinkets now broke Fear for virtually everyone and charm for a lot of classes too, Death Coil didn't have a fear component, and Will of the Forsaken lasted 20 seconds, not 5. (Also attack power wasn't normalized yet so this was the era of the Arcanite Reaper among others.) This was the setting of World of Roguecraft ep 3, btw. Warlocks (Alliance in particular) were basically on honor farm status because they had no escapes, no ccs, weaker damage than now, and would soulstone res for an extra 50% honor. I wound up quitting the game shortly thereafter because it just wasn't any good. And the impression I got (an impression that is still visible in issues like spell damage scaling) was that the Blizzard designers weren't very good at balancing (and that the Blizz CMs are tight-lipped jackasses who dismissed complaints as general bitching and trolling).

Anyway, if back in those days you dared to say "Will of the Forsaken isn't a big deal" people would've laughed you out of the forum. Even in the patch 1.8 now with a slew of Warlock buffs, an instant fear on Death Coil, and a 5 second WotF (in Patch 1.6), players would still tell you that WotF makes a huge difference in Warlock fights because the ability to shrug off more CCs (and be immune for a limited duration) is extremely powerful.

In a thread about making optimal race choice, I don't understand why people drop in and defend mediocrity on the basis that at low skill levels you'll never notice what you're missing anyway. It's not constructive advice. It's destructive advice that inhibits one's ability to progress in the game. You are always welcome to make your own choices regardless, but that doesn't mean you should promote what are clearly weaker choices under the pretense that it makes no real difference. People should make informed choices, imo, so this kind of disinformation strikes me as rather contemptible.

[riq and snog]

Pvp gnomes, Undead
Pve gnomes, Undead

Roll whatever race and casting u like best.
While racials are indeed powerfull there is no point at staring at a zombie or a midget for the rest of your gaming carreer!
it is also a huge boost to not depend on a racial and act ahead of time. IF you are into min max then choose your racials. At endgame pve your racials at least in case of wl wont matter much.
In endgame pvp you have 1 more excuse apart from lag:-)

[Zor]

I remember playing an alliance lock in vanilla WoW back during the Warlock's lowest point in 1.4. The honor system just got released, seduce and fear were put on the same DR, PvP trinkets now broke Fear for virtually everyone and charm for a lot of classes too, Death Coil didn't have a fear component, and Will of the Forsaken lasted 20 seconds, not 5. (Also attack power wasn't normalized yet so this was the era of the Arcanite Reaper among others.) This was the setting of World of Roguecraft ep 3, btw. Warlocks (Alliance in particular) were basically on honor farm status because they had no escapes, no ccs, weaker damage than now, and would soulstone res for an extra 50% honor. I wound up quitting the game shortly thereafter because it just wasn't any good. And the impression I got (an impression that is still visible in issues like spell damage scaling) was that the Blizzard designers weren't very good at balancing (and that the Blizz CMs are tight-lipped jackasses who dismissed complaints as general bitching and trolling).

Anyway, if back in those days you dared to say "Will of the Forsaken isn't a big deal" people would've laughed you out of the forum. Even in the patch 1.8 now with a slew of Warlock buffs, an instant fear on Death Coil, and a 5 second WotF (in Patch 1.6), players would still tell you that WotF makes a huge difference in Warlock fights because the ability to shrug off more CCs (and be immune for a limited duration) is extremely powerful.

In a thread about making optimal race choice, I don't understand why people drop in and defend mediocrity on the basis that at low skill levels you'll never notice what you're missing anyway. It's not constructive advice. It's destructive advice that inhibits one's ability to progress in the game. You are always welcome to make your own choices regardless, but that doesn't mean you should promote what are clearly weaker choices under the pretense that it makes no real difference. People should make informed choices, imo, so this kind of disinformation strikes me as rather contemptible.

Exactly. You can ofc break tremors easily like Numi said, and bait fears 'n shit. And although it is no gamebreaking difference it certainly changes it. It's basically one more GCD for tremor and one more DR for fear. And it is a big difference. Although i myself play gnome outta preferance, its right that people should be aware of what they are getting into before rolling.









srsly tho dont be lame. roll gnome.

[Rottenbeauty]

Undead master race, simply for cannibalizing whenever you kill a humanoid. Helps in both pvp and pve, to save your healers mana.

[Numi]

In a thread about making optimal race choice, I don't understand why people drop in and defend mediocrity on the basis that at low skill levels you'll never notice what you're missing anyway. It's not constructive advice. It's destructive advice that inhibits one's ability to progress in the game. You are always welcome to make your own choices regardless, but that doesn't mean you should promote what are clearly weaker choices under the pretense that it makes no real difference. People should make informed choices, imo, so this kind of disinformation strikes me as rather contemptible.

All I'm saying is, don't let WotF alone decide your race for you, because for warlocks, it's a very minor spell. Alliance warlocks have a lot of other good things to attract you that way, for example freedom and bubbles, something horde locks doesn't have.

Yes, WotF does make undead slightly stronger than other races against warlocks, but that doesn't mean Alliance is weaker in PvP, in fact, as the warlock, you'd prefer Alliance for PvP due to paladins. In 1v1's, WotF isn't going to make a difference anyway, because you have a coil. The only race that actually has a huge benefit from WotF is warriors and I've yet to see a single undead warrior in BG's at 60.

[Aethelwulf]

All I'm saying is, don't let WotF alone decide your race for you, because for warlocks, it's a very minor spell. In 1v1's, WotF isn't going to make a difference anyway, because you have a coil.

Stop. You keep assuming it's PvP against people without their PvP trinket. Don't give PvP advice that depends on PvPing bad PvPers. This is what I mean by defending mediocrity on the basis that at low skill levels you'll never notice what you're missing. This is what I mean by destructive advice that will keep you from competing with good players. They can WotF one and trinket the other. And DR is a limited resource. The implications are not "very minor," they are huge because CC can decide fights.

The only class that actually has a huge benefit from WotF is warriors and I've yet to see a single undead warrior in BG's at 60.

Warrior is the only undead-eligible class that isn't over 70% undead, and it has Berserker Rage, Death Wish (21 Fury spec), and Recklessness which all provide nice durations of Fear immunity. The last one is a huge CD but Berserker Rage -> Death Wish -> Berserker Rage alone makes an easy 50 seconds of back to back Fear immunity for Warriors. If they are Fury warriors, the only thing WotF really contributes for them is breaking Seduce. If they are 31/20 MS/Fury, then yes, WotF would make a huge difference for them.

Alliance warlocks have a lot of other good things to attract you that way, for example freedom and bubbles, something horde locks doesn't have. In fact, as the warlock, you'd prefer Alliance for PvP due to paladins.

Certainly, Paladins are a very strong support, but Shamans also contribute things like Totems, Water Walking, and Chain Heal. And you're asking what your faction does for you instead of what you do for your faction. With the disadvantage WotF poses to an alliance lock's utility, Horde simply tops out for PvP.

[Volo]

orc off course

[Minerals]

if you wanna do pvp i would take orc. high chance to resist stuns gives you the best chance to win against rogues and warriors. both are the most difficult enemies for a warlock.

orcs for pve suck i guess but atleast you look unique as a fat orc with cloth gear and gigantic shoulders. i would never play undead warlock cause 90% of horde locks are UD.

for alliance i would play human. yeah gnomes have better racials but they are so ugly and small i hate them. ^^

[Praxxia]

I prefer Orc. Not only for looks but the stun resist is so nice against Rogues, Warriors, and Paladins. WotF is nice but you have a pvp trinket + felhunter dispel. Cannibalize has such nice synergy but at the end of the day, it's not going to be very helpful in PvE (which is my focus) and you have to play what you love.