Raid Rotation

[Slicy]

Why the fuck would you save deathcoil and shadowburn to BURST down BOSS at end is beyond me. Primarily use of shadowburn and coil is to do some dps when you have to move due to boss mechanics or whatever and dont want or need to lifetap (because thats what youd normally do when moving) and if you are rich on shards you can also use shadowburn on cd as it has better cast time/damage than shadowbolt.

This is where it gets interesting.

If you use Shadowburn on CD, you're doing it extremely wrong. Couple reasons :

- Shadowburn has a very bad spelldmg ratio compared to Shadowbolt. The more Shadowdmg you get, the more Shadowbolt will outperform Shadowburn in terms of damage / cast time.
- Doing SB > Shadowburn > SB constantly will result in less dps than SB > SB > Shadowburn only if mob is about to die. If you need explanations about this, I feel sorry for you.
The 1st rotation will also result in less Improved Shadowbolt uptime than with the 2nd rotation, which means less dps for yourself, the other warlocks and in the end less raid dps.
- You should use Shadowburn in a stationary situation only if you have Imp Shadowbolt + Nightfall up on the Boss. Ideally used during last second of PI too.

Current raids barely have movement involved. Only bosses in BWL where you move are :
- Razorgore, IF you have to LoS the fireball volley because you aren't using the proper consummables/play with bad healers/tanks.
- Firemaw, IF you have a bad raid dps and you're eating too many stacks/your healers can't keep you up,
- Chromaggus, where you should only use Shadowburn if it's Shadow vuln and a breath is incoming.

All these things also apply to Death Coil, which also has a pretty bad spelldmg ratio.


You can prove that Koruu is not Wlocking properly by outperforming him on 1 boss fight or better on average dps in MC+BWL. Until then you're the one who is wrong with your "Shadowburn on CD" rotation suggestion.

[Setup]

- Shadowburn has a very bad spelldmg ratio compared to Shadowbolt. The more Shadowdmg you get, the more Shadowbolt will outperform Shadowburn in terms of damage / cast time.

This is true, but irrelevant. Shadowburn still puts out ~100 more DPS than shadow bolt at the highest gear levels. (On my vanilla BIS warlock, shadow bolt has a base 571 DPS, and shadowburn 675.)

- Doing SB > Shadowburn > SB constantly will result in less dps than SB > SB >

If you're speaking strictly in terms of personal damage and not damage indirectly applied via ISB, this is false. Shadowbolt might be better for raid damage after youve calculated in the damage you indirectly apply via ISB. But considering you're only giving up ~1-2 debuffs in exchange for using shadowburn, I'd say the answer to the question of which adds more to the raid is too close to call without actually doing the math.

One thing is clear -- for improving your personal damage, spamming shadowburn is the way to go. (Provided you dont mind farming the shards, and you do it in a way that doesn't cause you to have to lifetap more than usual.)

[Slicy]

You just said it yourself, SB is better for other warlock dps and therefore for raid dps. Better raid dps will result in a better personal dps (because the closer the boss fight duration is to your pew pew CDs duration, the higher your personal dps will be in the end).

Basically it's trading hypothetical better personal dps (and potentially getting shardless for summons/SS/Sac/Healthstones like you said) by eating ISB stacks with Shadowburn instead of having a better raid dps which will surely result in a better personal dps.

[Setup]

It could be the case that the total damage gained by using shadowburn is greater than the damage lost from getting fewer ISB procs. In fact, just by looking at the numbers, I'm pretty certain that's the case.

Either way, math needs to be done to know. You can't reason it out in an armchair.

[Darkwinjax]

Gonna feed the trolls now but:

If it would be just the shadowbolt spam then I´m quite confident the warlocks on this server wouldn´t suck as much as they do.

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranki ... ssLimit=Wl

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranki ... ssLimit=Wl

Get rekt, nerds.

With love,

The One That Spams the Shadowboltbutton way harder than anyone else!

On a more serious node, it´s mostly about positioning and about when to pop external & internal cooldowns to max out your DPS.

Just some examples:

Should you have the Talisman of Ephremal Power and/or a priest assigned to you to use Power Infusion you need to watch out for some events to happen before you pull the trigger for those:

• 5 Stacks of Shadowweaving
• Nightfallprocc (in the best case)
• Improved Shadowbolt
• (Curse of Shadows but that should be obvious)

So don´t just burn your CDs, try to get the best out of it.

Then there is the possibilty to use Shadowburn.
You would want to use that spell in three different situations:

• Boss is about to die before your next shadowbolt will hit (finisher)
• Your PI or trinket is about to run out before your next shadowbolt would be done casting (maximize the trinketuptime
• You see a Nightfallprocc AND a Improved Shadowbolt procc on the mob

Your finisher for a boss or every mob thats about to die would look like this:

• Finish your last Shadowbolt
• Use Deathcoil
• Use Shadowburn

Your Shadowbolt and your Deathcoil will both hit at the same time and basically at the same time your Shadowburn hits aswell. That´s if you´re lucky a massive burst towards the end.

I dont think playing like that you can call any other warlock stupid. Because you are kind of wrong.

When you use cd's like trinket or PI depends on length of fight. Never save cd to stack if you can get multiple uses of it during fight, this is best decided boss per boss basis, but generally of course its better to wait few seconds if you know Shadowweaving will be up soon .

Why the fuck would you save deathcoil and shadowburn to BURST down BOSS at end is beyond me. Primarily use of shadowburn and coil is to do some dps when you have to move due to boss mechanics or whatever and dont want or need to lifetap (because thats what youd normally do when moving) and if you are rich on shards you can also use shadowburn on cd as it has better cast time/damage than shadowbolt.

If u have trinket/damage buffs use dots also at end or even CoD, all that crap. You didnt say anything about that.

Addons for spamming to minimise amount of time between clicks, you didnt say anything about that.

I think you are one of those warlocks who suck on this server mate, sorry. Your suggestions would add like 2% dps if someone is not doing that already.

And lock who got most consumables and gear and perfect fight/procs will always have more dps than better player who miss some of that. Fucking shadowbolt spam IS 90% of lock dps, skill doesnt matter THAT much.

one of the worst warlocks

#1 dps warlock in available content

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[sownu]

one of the worst warlocks

#1 dps warlock in available content

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cool

content is hard

gear

consumables

fight duration & procs

tank threat

Top tier warlock should give top tier advice not "remember to breathe during boss fight so you dont fall asleep and spam shadowbolt button as hard as you can" because thats essentialy what that post says.

[Darkwinjax]

one of the worst warlocks

#1 dps warlock in available content

)
cool

content is hard

gear

consumables

fight duration & procs

tank threat

Top tier warlock should give top tier advice not "remember to breathe during boss fight so you dont fall asleep and spam shadowbolt button as hard as you can" because thats essentialy what that post says.

gear? koruu has better gear than other warlocks in the guild but he isn't close to BiS and compared to other warlocks in other guilds / raidstats the difference isn't that great.

fight duration? Go play in a better guild so you can stop crying

as for consumables lol, you are free to buy them and I think all warlocks in top #25 use the same consumables on their raids.

When 1 person consistantly outperforms all other warlocks in the server and you just claim it's RNG and that all that is required is shadowbolt spam then you are fucking retarded.

[sownu]

gear? koruu has better gear than other warlocks in the guild but he isn't close to BiS and compared to other warlocks in other guilds / raidstats the difference isn't that great.

fight duration? Go play in a better guild so you can stop crying

as for consumables lol, you are free to buy them and I think all warlocks in top #25 use the same consumables on their raids.

When 1 person consistantly outperforms all other warlocks in the server and you just claim it's RNG and that all that is required is shadowbolt spam then you are fucking retarded.

Have you been diagnosed with autism or do you normally talk with people like that ?

[Botmaster5]

keep it civil guys (and potential gals)

Points to take away:
1. Don't spam Shadowburn on CD, take advantage of ISB and Shadoweaving
2. Proper gearing to maximize EFFECTIVE RAID DPS is more important than personal DPS (dont be a DPS hero)
3. Utilize consumables properly. Greater Arcane and Shadow Power elixirs, Wiz Oil, MP5 and HP food. Flask for progression. Flasking for non-progression if you want.
4. We are more than just a "shadow mage" who spams our DPS spells, warlock utility is an intangible that does not show up on DPS charts

[narutomaster]

kooru talking like all the warlocks here have his gear or a power infusion bitch waiting for a nightfall proc lmao