Nostalrius Begins - Quality wow vanilla realm (1.12)

Now that we have 16 debuff slots to toy with, do you think there's any chance for a pyrowarlock to succeed?
Keeping immolate up while spamming Searing Pain and Conflag every 10 seconds, SB every 15 seconds.

I'm thinking something like this?
Maybe not the most PvE oriented spec, but something along those lines.

Nightfall/Conflag was a legit AQ/Naxx spec, but it really hinges on your mages. If you dont have 100% uptime on ignite, the spec is useless. Also, if you run with a shadow priest, your DPS will be better because of shadow weaving + CoS + ISB

Oh yes, Shadowpriests can be used. Maybe I'm just dreaming of spamming something else than shadowbolt every raid.

Botmaster5 wrote:Nightfall/Conflag was a legit AQ/Naxx spec, but it really hinges on your mages. If you dont have 100% uptime on ignite, the spec is useless. Also, if you run with a shadow priest, your DPS will be better because of shadow weaving + CoS + ISB

How does ignite increase your dps? I'm not following you. Nf/conflag is a bursty pvp spec. Its sub optimal dps for pve, although really its hard to go wrong with bane and ruin. In any case, SM/Ruin and DS/ruin are far superior to any other spec. NF/conflag might out dps a soul link spec or a dark pact spec, but its definitely not what I would consider "viable" since the other two specs are so much stronger than nf/conflag for pve.

Botmaster5 wrote:Nightfall/Conflag was a legit AQ/Naxx spec, but it really hinges on your mages. If you dont have 100% uptime on ignite, the spec is useless. Also, if you run with a shadow priest, your DPS will be better because of shadow weaving + CoS + ISB

I may be underestimating conflag, but there's no way that conflag and immolate damage is worth 15% fire damage.

Keep in mind that just because we have 16 debuff slots not, it does not mean there are plenty

Even at 16 slots most guilds will only have 1 SM/Ruin lock, rest will still be DS/Ruin.

Assuming one shadow priest and one SM/Ruin lock:
Sunder
Faerie fire
CoS
CoE
CoR
Thunderclap/TF
Demo Shout
Winter's chill
Imp shadow bolt
Corruption
Hunter's mark
Shadow weaving
Shadow Word Pain
Vampiric embrace
Judgement of Light
Judgement of Wisdom
Insect Swarm

I'm sure I'm missing a few others.

The first time that fire destro was viable was patch 2.4.3, the one all tbc servers run on, and i think even then the warlocks only used immolate and incinerate because the conflag dmg was just not worth sacreficing a tick of your immolate.

Numi wrote:

Botmaster5 wrote:Nightfall/Conflag was a legit AQ/Naxx spec, but it really hinges on your mages. If you dont have 100% uptime on ignite, the spec is useless. Also, if you run with a shadow priest, your DPS will be better because of shadow weaving + CoS + ISB

I may be underestimating conflag, but there's no way that conflag and immolate damage is worth 15% fire damage.

thats what i was thinking. again, i only have theorycrafting to go on here, but...

i was looking between 3 specs 0-21-30 DS/Emberstorm, 17-0-34 Nightfall/Conflag, and a weird hybrid 17-3-31 Nightfall/Emberstorm + Black Book imp build. The last one i really want to try because of how broken OP this original version of the trinket is.

Armilus wrote:Keep in mind that just because we have 16 debuff slots not, it does not mean there are plenty

Even at 16 slots most guilds will only have 1 SM/Ruin lock, rest will still be DS/Ruin.

Assuming one shadow priest and one SM/Ruin lock:
Sunder
Faerie fire
CoS
CoE
CoR
Thunderclap/TF
Demo Shout
Winter's chill
Imp shadow bolt
Corruption
Hunter's mark
Shadow weaving
Shadow Word Pain
Vampiric embrace
Judgement of Light
Judgement of Wisdom
Insect Swarm

I'm sure I'm missing a few others.

Judgment of light, and huntersmark, aren't worth spots (once better gear becomes available hunters are goinng to become less and less desirable). Not to mention that several of these buffs will not have 100% uptime such as judgment of wisdom and isb.

In anycase, I agree with you that 16 debuff slots does not mean you can just spam any debuff you have, and really, its a waste for even sm/ruin locks to use corruption. Sure nightfall procs are nice, but really an instant shadowbolt, it is NOT a significant increase towards dps as it saves only one second in a dps rotation once about every 1.25 mintues. When you factor that in, nightfall is worth a whoping 1.35% increase in dps (yes it is a crude estimate, but it should be even lower because I wasn't even factoring in the dps you were getting from the corruption damage). Honestly, as unimpressive as nightfall is, I think it would be better to leave it off and open up a spot for mindflay for your shadow priest. You completely ignored that debuff and its an important part of a shadow priests rotation.

Botmaster5 wrote:
i was looking between 3 specs 0-21-30 DS/Emberstorm, 17-0-34 Nightfall/Conflag, and a weird hybrid 17-3-31 Nightfall/Emberstorm + Black Book imp build. The last one i really want to try because of how broken OP this original version of the trinket is.

I'm confident neither of those specs will be comparable to SM/Ruin or DS/Ruin. The emberstorm spec would probably fair the best, but searing pain doesn't have a cast time reduction, and therefore has a significantly lower spell damage coefficient per time spent casting.

is it viable? Who cares. It's just a fantastic gameplay and most of you guys are, or will soon be, farming all content. Liitterally raiding ZG with a NF/conflag spec will just make these months waiting for AQ40 much more interesting.

Also, on trash you will outdps any warlock spec. And you can also factor the imp machine gun that goes totally berserk if specced so, even tho he runs out of mana quickly.

Who knows after all...