Just how bad is feral dps(raids)

[Ziphr]

I know many guilds consider it worthwhile to bring a feral, sometimes two.. others wont even look at them

Im sure the vanilla community has been over this a thousand times, so I was curious if theres compilation of empirical evidence on the performance of feral drood dps vs other classes

Ive heard they do about 70% the damage of a rogue, or that when their crit buff is taken into account they bring damage on par with a hunter. Which, considering they bring innervate and battle res and can bear tank some things if need be, actually sounds pretty good to me- but others have said feral is worst dps in the game

but those statements are just things Ive heard, I was curious if theres anything floating around thats a bit more verifiable

I have no intention of trying to raid as feral, just curious about roughly where they stand ^^

[Lorilay]

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranki ... ssLimit=Dr

Highest druid dps in MC is 293dps.
Rogue: 846
Warrior: 777
Hunter: 572
Mage: 535
Warlock: 490
Shaman: 336
Paladin: 230
Priest: 184

So no, you don't do 70% of rogue damage. It's closer to 33%.

[Larsen]

There are basically no druids who are pure DPS, so when people post numbers, they often include data from fights where the druid was tanking. If someone goes full DPS and actually puts in the extra work to power-shift and such, the DPS really is about on par with a hunter. However, it starts out bad because there's almost no gear for druids in MC and BWL. That comes with world dragons and AQ and will make a big difference.

[Taladril]

We won't really have the data to truly see how good a druid is at dps until ZG when we get better and more hit gear as well as the 16 debuff slot limit. Honestly I wouldn't even judge feral dps until AQ. At that point maybe feral would have a semblance of competitiveness. Currently feral dps is not surprisingly low.

[Ziphr]

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranking.aspx?Bosses=00010203040506070809&realm=All&ClassLimit=Dr

Highest druid dps in MC is 293dps.
Rogue: 846
Warrior: 777
Hunter: 572
Mage: 535
Warlock: 490
Shaman: 336
Paladin: 230
Priest: 184

So no, you don't do 70% of rogue damage. It's closer to 33%.

Well I dont do any of that since Im not a feral drood

"Highest dps druid in MC" is a bit misleading I think. Its "highest average dps" by a drood over the course of MC. They likely do some offtanking so averaging all fights together is a little misleading

But I broke it down boss to boss to eliminate "sometimes they tank" and droods really did seem to consistently be extremely low.

Not 33% low, but not a whole lot better either..

Ty for this link, very informative!

[Ziphr]

We won't really have the data to truly see how good a druid is at dps until ZG when we get better and more hit gear as well as the 16 debuff slot limit. Honestly I wouldn't even judge feral dps until AQ. At that point maybe feral would have a semblance of competitiveness. Currently feral dps is not surprisingly low.

Fair enough. In retail we ran with a feral drood and while I dont remember exactly where his dps sat(we started raiding about the time AQ opened) but it was definitely better than 40% of our top dps

Ill be looking forward to the post AQ numbers then ^^

[Brye]

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... Raid=17787

I am also trying to make Feral dps /w powershifting viable, stats above is my last run. While i did outdps some people, we still need more gear to come out for this to work.

[TheNIF]

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranking.aspx?Bosses=00010203040506070809&realm=All&ClassLimit=Dr

Highest druid dps in MC is 293dps.
Rogue: 846
Warrior: 777
Hunter: 572
Mage: 535
Warlock: 490
Shaman: 336
Paladin: 230
Priest: 184

So no, you don't do 70% of rogue damage. It's closer to 33%.

These numbers are heavily skewed because for the most part the rogues will be doing nothing but dps throughout entire instance, where as a feral druid you'll be dps, offtank, get out to heal, innervate, combat ress and so on. All of this drags down your overall dps for the entire raid.

It would be better to pick single fights where the druid is unlikely to be either tanking or popping out to do utility stuff if you want a better gauge of the dps.

[Yurf]

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranki ... 20of%20War

Those are the five fights (mag, gehennas, baron, shazz, rag) where I'm currently exclusively dps'ing. As you can see, I come in well below the rogues and warriors in my guild. Even if you give me some credit for melee/hunter dps increases from LotP, I'm still trailing by a lot.

[Lorilay]

Well, the numbers for druids I linked were from Grayclaw's runs with Axiom, and a closer look at those raids show that he doesn't do much offtanking at all in them. Since Grayclaw is consistently the highest dpsing druid on Nost, let's look in more detail. Flamegor is a good fight to look at DPS on, because it has simple mechanics and your DPS just sit there and, well, DPS. http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... 24&Fight=6

Or take a look at Magmadar for a shorter one-tank fight: http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Fight ... t=19232001

300-500 dps is definitely respectable as a druid, though, but it doesn't approach rogues and never will. Although gear scales very well for us in AQ, weapons scale even better for melee (and caster DPS) in there.

That said, it does make me realize I'm terrible at vanilla cat dpsing, because I struggle to hit 300dps in the same gear Grayclaw has