This made me laughing :D

[Argionelite]

Haha, this guy used to be my guild master.

Good to see how he's been acting.

[Ihealwpvp]

paladins are ultimately inferior to a warrior main tank. People dont hand out more thunderfurys to prot paladins for a reason

also, besides this version of wow having the pre-bc patch talents for mc/bwl. which is a huge ez mode buff. feenix raiding was/is much eassier than vanilla. its not blizzlike and is more forgiving.

prot paladins got a much needed boost in TBC as they weren't very good in vanilla for endgame.

prot pallies are great for leveling and 5 mans though.

[smilkovpetko]

paladins are ultimately inferior to a warrior main tank. People dont hand out more thunderfurys to prot paladins for a reason

also, besides this version of wow having the pre-bc patch talents for mc/bwl. which is a huge ez mode buff. feenix raiding was/is much eassier than vanilla. its not blizzlike and is more forgiving.

prot paladins got a much needed boost in TBC as they weren't very good in vanilla for endgame.

prot pallies are great for leveling and 5 mans though.

besides this version of wow having the pre-bc patch talents for mc/bwl. which is a huge ez mode buff.

That's why we are missing Seal of Fury which is 300% Threat Generating toward single Target.

feenix raiding was/is much eassier than vanilla. its not blizzlike and is more forgiving.

That's why they have Bosses with 2 Million HP in which was 3 times more than Blizzlike + bugs which cause wipes.

prot paladins got a much needed boost in TBC as they weren't very good in vanilla for endgame.

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yawn


People dont hand out more thunderfurys to prot paladins for a reason

Because Thunderfury is terrible Aggro Weapon for Prot Paladin and we go for Spell Damage Weapon which is "officially" proven even in TBC that it should be our Main Aggro Weapon. (Similar to Warriors that go for fast Weapons in order to gain Rage).

Official Wiki recommend TBC gear for us Prot Paladin :

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/BC_tankin ... paladin%29

Weapon (1H)

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Gladiator's_Gavel

We all know that TBC and Vanilla share 70% of stuffs and Mechanics .
TBC was advocating our misunderstanding and fail knowledge in Vanilla that we had in simple ways.

[Ihealwpvp]

people who did retail vanilla will agree, feenix is eassier.

i pointed out TF, to highlight that guilds dont have prot paladins MT in the first place. because well... warriors are just plain better and prot pally guild MT is just dumb.....Im pretty sure you WOULD want TF on prot pally anyway, that proc is especially good for aoe tanking, but maybe it wouldnt proc alot since paladins are auto attack based

i mean, i understand you are delusional. but there isnt a way around it, prot paladins are just plain inferior for endgame main tanking, and their small aoe niche roll can be filled by ret/holy-which is smarter for the other 90% of the raid instance. not really needed in a serious raiding guild. horde do fine without them.

redoubt is kinda shitty too, defense attribute, anticipation talent and tanking gear work against it.

not really any useful protection talents for tanking bossses, block ammount isnt really that useful on a raid boss. main thing is to block crushing blows.

all the paladin prot talents are set up to block often low ammounts of damage from many soruces, ie aoe tanking. which basically makes the tree kind of poopy for raid bosses.

Paladins however are very relaxing/not button mashing to tank (some could say boring) you really dont need to put much effort in them to hold aggro in 5 mans. which is quite different from the hectic facerolling of warrior tanking.

if you want the ideal and best endgame tanking career, roll a warrior. paladins are just too much of uphill route to make viable. Good luck finding a casual guild that will take you.

that being said, im having a blast tanking 5 mans to level on my 25 paladin ihealwarrior.

[smilkovpetko]

people who did retail vanilla will agree, feenix is eassier.

i pointed out TF, to highlight that guilds dont have prot paladins MT in the first place. because well... warriors are just plain better and prot pally guild MT is just dumb.....Im pretty sure you WOULD want TF on prot pally anyway, that proc is especially good for aoe tanking, but maybe it wouldnt proc alot since paladins are auto attack based

i mean, i understand you are delusional. but there isnt a way around it, prot paladins are just plain inferior for endgame main tanking, and their small aoe niche roll can be filled by ret/holy-which is smarter for the other 90% of the raid instance. not really needed in a serious raiding guild. horde do fine without them.

redoubt is kinda shitty too, defense attribute, anticipation talent and tanking gear work against it.

not really any useful protection talents for tanking bossses, block ammount isnt really that useful on a raid boss. main thing is to block crushing blows.

all the paladin prot talents are set up to block often low ammounts of damage from many soruces, ie aoe tanking. which basically makes the tree kind of poopy for raid bosses.

Paladins however are very relaxing/not button mashing to tank (some could say boring) you really dont need to put much effort in them to hold aggro in 5 mans. which is quite different from the hectic facerolling of warrior tanking.

if you want the ideal and best endgame tanking career, roll a warrior. paladins are just too much of uphill route to make viable. Good luck finding a casual guild that will take you.

that being said, im having a blast tanking 5 mans to level on my 25 paladin ihealwarrior.

people who did retail vanilla will agree, feenix is eassier.

And i am prot Retail Vanilla Player which i disapprove this since our Class in Peenix is most Bugged and Raids are modified in very bad image of how Blizzard Raids was back then.

Im pretty sure you WOULD want TF on prot pally anyway, that proc is especially good for aoe tanking, but maybe it wouldnt proc alot since paladins are auto attack based

So you are pretty sure that you decide to ignore the part where i said that TF is terrible Aggro Weapon for Paladins since our Aggro is based toward Spell Damage while Rogue can use that Proc from TF for us or any other Tank.

i mean, i understand you are delusional.

Yes i am delusional. And i believe majority of people will agree with you.

But i already Tanked something that for you is 100% illusion and you will never agree that.

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redoubt is kinda shitty too, defense attribute, anticipation talent and tanking gear work against it.

Even improved Rend and Deepwound is kinda shitty too but Warriors take them in order to get Impale to increase their Aggro.

not really any useful protection talents for tanking bossses, block ammount isnt really that useful on a raid boss. main thing is to block crushing blows.

Extra 10 Defense , 30 Block by Holy Shield , Sanctuary to reduce dmg taken , Absorb Shield that increase Block Value from Shield by 30% !! , Extra Strength to increase Block Value , Armor increasing Talent , extra Parry .


Paladins however are very relaxing/not button mashing to tank (some could say boring) you really dont need to put much effort in them to hold aggro

That leaves me enough time to have Full Control in Raid and be prepared easy to react fast into special Events during Raid.

if you want the ideal and best endgame tanking career, roll a warrior. paladins are just too much of uphill route to make viable. Good luck finding a casual guild that will take you.

Go play warrior if you don't like Paladin , we don't care about your choice .
We want to play Protection Paladin which is awesome especially at certain list of raid Bosses and are superior/progressing savior to have 1 in High End Bosses (such as neffarian,onyxia,c'thun,KT).

We can do same as Warrior or Druids (never said better than Warrior) but we can still do same job at same degree as Warrior.
Druids are horrible class to Tank since they lack Def Cap and are terrible Aggro makers.

[Ihealwpvp]

paladin talents are set up to aoe tank, not raid tank. Block amount isnt that important for tanking a boss. Most bosses have a special move that hits super hard, which is usually spell based and cant be blocked anyway. I was pointing out that anticipation and defense skill work against redoubt.

you did say paladins were supperior in a thread awhile back, then got extremely defensive (har har pun) when i demonstrated over and over again why they are not a smart tank.....

i mean, get your paladin to 60, get it pre-raid bis, and start looking for a guild that will take you as a raid tank.... it will be hard......guild and raid leaders simply dont want prot pallies main tanking. If a guild forced a paladin MT, i would question that guilds leadership.

maybe when zg/aq20 are out and 90% of the server is super geared will we start to see more prot paladins....

prot paladins are just plain inferior to warriors for main tanking and are not needed for any fight. Endgame tanking was designed for a warrior to main tank. and yes, horde do twin emps without a paladin tank.

[smilkovpetko]

paladin talents are set up to aoe tank, not raid tank. Block amount isnt that important for tanking a boss. Most bosses have a special move that hits super hard, which is usually spell based and cant be blocked anyway. I was pointing out that anticipation and defense skill work against redoubt.

you did say paladins were supperior in a thread awhile back, then got extremely defensive (har har pun) when i demonstrated over and over again why they are not a smart tank.....

i mean, get your paladin to 60, get it pre-raid bis, and start looking for a guild that will take you as a raid tank.... it will be hard......guild and raid leaders simply dont want prot pallies main tanking. If a guild forced a paladin MT, i would question that guilds leadership.

maybe when zg/aq20 are out and 90% of the server is super geared will we start to see more prot paladins....

prot paladins are just plain inferior to warriors for main tanking and are not needed for any fight. Endgame tanking was designed for a warrior to main tank. and yes, horde do twin emps without a paladin tank.

paladin talents are set up to aoe tank, not raid tank.

That's why we are more superior than Warriors on single Target aggro.

Block amount isnt that important for tanking a boss.

As topic Title say - This made me laughing

Most bosses have a special move that hits super hard, which is usually spell based and cant be blocked anyway.

What make this Warriors more superior than Paladins? where both can't block such move.

I was pointing out that anticipation and defense skill work against redoubt.

Redoubt can proc if we use /macro /sit . And we need redoubt to get Shield Absorb that increase our block value by 30% . (same as warrior wasting more than us useless points in order to get impale for aggro).

you did say paladins were supperior in a thread awhile back, then got extremely defensive (har har pun) when i demonstrated over and over again why they are not a smart tank.....

You put words inside my mouth ....... i never said that we are best tanks , but i also pointed that we are same as Warriors and we are best on Aggro making and Tanking Specific (mostly high end) fights (there is list with such fights).


i mean, get your paladin to 60, get it pre-raid bis, and start looking for a guild that will take you as a raid tank.

Why not making my own guild and MT all Bosses?
Why would i care of "ihealwpvp" leaders in another guilds?.

If a guild forced a paladin MT, i would question that guilds leadership.

You should question your own illusions,brain and probably your health to doctor about Game that any raid can be done with 30 People easy.

maybe when zg/aq20 are out and 90% of the server is super geared will we start to see more prot paladins....

maybe we already have enormous amount of Protadins which they don't care about this forum and trolls like ihealwpvp , so they simple decide to not respond and enjoy in game Raiding.

Endgame tanking was designed for a warrior to main tank.

That's why biggest problem in KT Warriors as MT have is Aggro where this Boss is Immune to Taunt and reset aggro . Where they have to sacrifice Damage Dealers in order to regain aggro.

Which Paladins can simple Exorcism (auto taunt) in 1 second leaving nobody hurt from raid.

[bdan]

That's why we are more superior than Warriors on single Target aggro.

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[smilkovpetko]

That's why we are more superior than Warriors on single Target aggro.

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Sulfuron Harbringer :

Each Tank take 1 target .......see the results in KTM.