Crusader or Command?

[Kazarak]

I did some testing on this last night. My Paladin is currently level 33 and rocking Thermaplugg's Left Arm. Level 32 is a level when both SoC and SotC get a new rank, so it seemed like a good time to test.

So I ran around Arathi Highlands and killed 31-33 raptors and spiders for a while - 25 for each test set. Here's the results:

JotC + SoR: 64.35 DPS
SoC: 66.36 DPS
SotC: 76.72 DPS

SotC is the winner by far!

Note: I was not judging SoC for the judgement damage. Honestly, rank 1 Consecration is more mana efficient than that.

Current Build

[smilkovpetko]

I did some testing on this last night. My Paladin is currently level 33 and rocking Thermaplugg's Left Arm. Level 32 is a level when both SoC and SotC get a new rank, so it seemed like a good time to test.

So I ran around Arathi Highlands and killed 31-33 raptors and spiders for a while - 25 for each test set. Here's the results:

JotC + SoR: 64.35 DPS
SoC: 66.36 DPS
SotC: 76.72 DPS

SotC is the winner by far!

Note: I was not judging SoC for the judgement damage. Honestly, rank 1 Consecration is more mana efficient than that.

Current Build

did you tested JotC + SoC ?

Many will disagree with me but i honestly do think and have experienced soc max rank judgement is enormous dps and worth mana.

if i was you i would use http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#seZZxf0t for leveling as retri.

[Kazarak]

did you tested JotC + SoC ?

Many will disagree with me but i honestly do think and have experienced soc max rank judgement is enormous dps and worth mana.

if i was you i would use http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#seZZxf0t for leveling as retri.

I tried JotC + SoC and din't notice any boost in the damage, but I'll double check this tonight.

As for the build, I am sold on Consecration. Rank 1 does 35 damage a second and rank 2 does like 48 a second. Although, rank 1 is much more mana efficient in the long run being 100 mana less to cast. So even against a single target, that's 280 damage for 135 mana. (That is from memory; be gentle...)

And Consecration allows me to tank in dungeons. I actually beat the Rogues and Hunters in DPS on any multi-target pulls - by a lot! That always surprises the nay-sayers! At 27, I was tanking Gnomer and getting over 300 DPS on those grouped, non-elite pulls; and nothing broke away to attack the other party members.

[Kazarak]

Alright, so I did some more experimenting tonight killing the same mobs in Arathi Highlands. A side note: I gained level and equipped a couple new pieces of armor, so the DPS will be slightly higher than the previous three numbers (italicized).

Same deal: An average of 25 mobs. I also added the mana cost per mob as a comparison.

JotC + SoR: 64.35 DPS (227 mana)
SoC: 66.36 DPS (110 mana)
SotC: 76.72 DPS (90 mana)
JotC + SoC: 88.1 DPS (247 mana)
SotC + R1 Consecration: 119.1 DPS (225 mana)

The clear winner here is SotC + Consecration! That combination just eats mobs alive!

Incidentally, I can normally drop a mob in about 10-15 seconds, which leaves me enough time to run to another mob while still having 10 seconds or so left on SotC. So really, I can kill 3 mobs with 2 castings, reducing the mana per kill cost to just 195 mana. So for sustained killing/grinding, this combination is in a league of its own - and the DPS for fighting multiple mobs at once goes up from there with the same spells!

I also tried JotC + SotC + Consecration, but this only increased the Consecration tick by 3, so it maybe adds 2 DPS over all; not worth it considering the mana cost involved. (I assume the bonus from JotC is applied using Consecration's base damage as opposed to it's boosted damage after AP is applied.)

I didn't try JotC + SoC + Consecration. Extrapolating the numbers, I imagine the DPS would be around 125-130, but the mana cost would be prohibitive: 382 versus 195. You're basically talking double the mana for less than 10% more DPS.

I'm declaring overall winner for sustained DPS for Paladins in the mid-30's to be: Seal of the Crusader + Rank 1 Consecration.

[smilkovpetko]

Impressing and thanks for the analyze

JotC + SoR: 64.35 DPS (227 mana)
SoC: 66.36 DPS (110 mana)
SotC: 76.72 DPS (90 mana)
JotC + SoC: 88.1 DPS (247 mana)

This just open the fact that JotC + SoC is the DPS driving in lvl 60 vs SotC that many still misunderstand even today.

I do believe that SotC + r1 Consecration is pretty awesome DPS for leveling .

but SoW / JoW with max rank Consecration is even more DPS in long term using Mana efficient at lvl 40+ (not sure what level you are now)

another thing i would like to ask if you already tested :

SoC + Max rank Judges of it on CD ?

I need 3x Versions (regardless of mana efficiency but add the mana too)

1: JotC+SoC+JoC
2: JotC+SoC+JoC+Consecration
3: SoC+JoC

[Kazarak]

I'm only 34 right now and don't have all the toys. I'll have to come back and retest all the various combinations when I'm in my mid 40's and see what the most efficient is at that point.

JotC + SoC may be awe inspiring at 60; I'm curious to see. At my current level, it does great DPS, but it's too much mana compared to the alternatives.

FYI: in leveling a Hunter at the same time - he's 34 too. I was shocked to see that he struggles to keep up with my Paladin at this level in DPS. Maybe I need to do a similar experiment with him...

[smilkovpetko]

I'm only 34 right now and don't have all the toys. I'll have to come back and retest all the various combinations when I'm in my mid 40's and see what the most efficient is at that point.

JotC + SoC may be awe inspiring at 60; I'm curious to see. At my current level, it does great DPS, but it's too much mana compared to the alternatives.

FYI: in leveling a Hunter at the same time - he's 34 too. I was shocked to see that he struggles to keep up with my Paladin at this level in DPS. Maybe I need to do a similar experiment with him...

don't worry i am not in rush either i go so slow too ^^ <3

p.s you can JotC + R1 Command if you question mana for the DPS . (R1 or any other R Command is just their judgement difference , the rest is same) .

[Kazarak]

p.s you can JotC + R1 Command if you question mana for the DPS . (R1 or any other R Command is just their judgement difference , the rest is same) .

Really? I didn't notice that. I was considering adding a Judgment at the end of each mob to finish it off with SoC, but that would have been another mana hit. I'll have to throw that into the mix too!

God! I didn't think Paladins had so many damn options!

[dispenseri]

This thread is about SoC and SotC, not Consecration mind you!
So JotC + SoC is the way to go?
Also, is SoC's proc and judge affected by spell power?

[Kazarak]

This thread is about SoC and SotC, not Consecration mind you!
So JotC + SoC is the way to go?
Also, is SoC's proc and judge affected by spell power?

If you take Consecration out of the picture, JotC + SoC may be the way to go. My DPS observations for SotC was done at level 32 while JotC + SoC was done at 33 with a few new pieces of gear. I image their actual DPS levels would be closer. However, the mana cost involved would make SotC the clear winner in sustained DPS.

To recap:

SotC (@32): 76.72 DPS (90 mana)
JotC + SoC (@33 w/ better gear): 88.1 DPS (247 mana)

SotC is a lot more mana efficient.

I can't attest to whether or not SoC is affected by SP. I know it is affected by JotC. However, it was satisfying to crit with a SoC proc for 460 or so.

Side note: It was pointed out that SoC of all ranks provide the same proc effect. They only differ for the Judge damage. I'll have to try this out at some point. That may make JotC + SoC more mana efficient.