Paladin Ret on the Raiding Life

[Spluaks]

Killerduki teached me a lot of the Ret Pally, I'm sure that with the talents/skills fixeds in Nost, Ret would be one good dps

[Theloras]

your trolling is not constructive to the post.

Its not wrong, ret paladins are the lowest melee dps spec. and the 2nd lowest overall.

fury, rogue, cat druid, enhance all do more dps.

the only class ret can consistently out dps is shadow priests.

check realmplayers.com, even your own record dps is lower than 6/8 classes killerduki......

you do realize that with 8 debuff slots and consecration taking up a hidden debuff slot (meaning it won't tick at all), that a Ret Paladin is missing out on at least 100-150 DPS

conversely, we can't put up judgement of the crusader and use Seal of Command instead for the very same 8 debuff slot reason

i mean, you do realize that or are you just even more deluded than before?

no other class and/or spec is as bugged as Ret

[stimz]

you do realize that with 8 debuff slots and consecration taking up a hidden debuff slot (meaning it won't tick at all), that a Ret Paladin is missing out on at least 100-150 DPS

conversely, we can't put up judgement of the crusader and use Seal of Command instead for the very same 8 debuff slot reason

i mean, you do realize that or are you just even more deluded than before?

no other class and/or spec is as bugged as Ret

Seal of Command gets 100% of crusader debuff damage instead of 43% here - beneficial bug
Consecration scales off AP instead of SP - beneficial bug
Seal of the Crusader does 40% more damage than intended - beneficial bug

Paladins still not competitive at DPS. Hmmm. Same deal with ferals and stone + weap enchant.

[Ihealwpvp]

if/when debuff slots get fixed, paladins still wont do top dps, like warriors, rogues and locks.

learn the class. its a defensive support hybrid to contrast shaman offensive support hybrid. It will be hard to get in a guild as ret, best idea is to go holy and pick up ret pieces for an offspec

by claiming to be an experienced and knowledgeable paladin, then saying paladins are competitive dps/main tanks.... you pretty much being a hypocrital idiot. understand the class / games mechanics.

this isnt an exclusive ret paladin issue, many specs are junk endgame in vanilla. ret is one of them. People want holy paladins in raids and in premade groups.

there isnt even a strong reason to spec ret for solo queuing pvp, as you can carry heal a battleground much eassier/better and thus get more honor/hour

for every momment of LOL ret burst /one shot in pvp, you get 2 momments of frustration running after your target trying to get close.

[smilkovpetko]

you do realize that with 8 debuff slots and consecration taking up a hidden debuff slot (meaning it won't tick at all), that a Ret Paladin is missing out on at least 100-150 DPS

conversely, we can't put up judgement of the crusader and use Seal of Command instead for the very same 8 debuff slot reason

i mean, you do realize that or are you just even more deluded than before?

no other class and/or spec is as bugged as Ret

Seal of Command gets 100% of crusader debuff damage instead of 43% here - beneficial bug
Consecration scales off AP instead of SP - beneficial bug
Seal of the Crusader does 40% more damage than intended - beneficial bug

Paladins still not competitive at DPS. Hmmm. Same deal with ferals and stone + weap enchant.

Seal of Command gets 100% of crusader debuff damage instead of 43% here - beneficial bug

One bug that benefit us maximum 50 DPS . In which it sacrifice Spell Damage (negative bug) that we could gain minimum 400 DPS or more.

Consecration scales off AP instead of SP - beneficial bug

Since when this is bug?!. In retail and every single Patch note you would find out that Consecration is indeed Scale off AP+SP together . (this is not bug at all , it is normal)

Seal of the Crusader does 40% more damage than intended - beneficial bug

WoW i never use Seal of the Crusader in Raid because is terrible DPS .
(there is even list which is better Seal to use that was calculated either in low lvl) :

SotC: 76.72 DPS
JotC + SoC: 88.1 DPS

Credits given to Kazarak.

Paladins still not competitive at DPS. Hmmm. Same deal with ferals and stone + weap enchant.

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[stimz]

Don't see the DPS on those meters, also 2.5 in mc.

Consecration did not scale off ap until wotlk if I recall, its 33% spread over 8 ticks, or supposed to be anyway. Shit just doesn't get fixed like holy light scaling at 43%.

[smilkovpetko]

Don't see the DPS on those meters, also 2.5 in mc.

Consecration did not scale off ap until wotlk if I recall, its 33% spread over 8 ticks, or supposed to be anyway. Shit just doesn't get fixed like holy light scaling at 43%.

Patch 2.0.1 (05-Dec-2006): Doesn't scale with attack power anymore.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Consecration

You would like to stop arguing nonsense please.

[Theloras]

you do realize that with 8 debuff slots and consecration taking up a hidden debuff slot (meaning it won't tick at all), that a Ret Paladin is missing out on at least 100-150 DPS

conversely, we can't put up judgement of the crusader and use Seal of Command instead for the very same 8 debuff slot reason

i mean, you do realize that or are you just even more deluded than before?

no other class and/or spec is as bugged as Ret

Seal of Command gets 100% of crusader debuff damage instead of 43% here - beneficial bug
Consecration scales off AP instead of SP - beneficial bug
Seal of the Crusader does 40% more damage than intended - beneficial bug

Paladins still not competitive at DPS. Hmmm. Same deal with ferals and stone + weap enchant.

What part of consecration's dmg won't tick at all with it's hidden debuff in a 40man raid did you not understand and which guild will allow Judgement of the Crusader up on a raid boss with only 8 debuffs for me to even use Seal of Command?

[Theloras]

if/when debuff slots get fixed, paladins still wont do top dps, like warriors, rogues and locks.

Never said we would be top single target DPS - but we would be in the middle of the pack and certainly above your precious Hunters!

What I have said is this:

1. Paladin is the BEST AoE tank in the game
2. Reck Bomb Paladin has the deadliest melee strike in the game
3. Retribution Paladins can do decent DPS in a 40man raid comp (provided bugs can be fixed here on Nost)

Those are the claims that I have made - nothing more - nothing less.

[Ihealwpvp]

you are wrong. realm players shows that top hunters do more damage then top rets, this is shown on many servers/projects, many guillds, many raids.. Im also not a hunter fanboy. reckoning is multiple attacks, not one. the animation might be one swing, but the game calculates it as multiple attacks, not 1.

ret is a poor dps spec, no matter how you try and spin it. suitable for a casual guild/pug raid. its high burst, low dps. know the class.

the aoe tanking niche is so small and trivial that it doesnt matter in practicality, its a few pulls at best. Horde are perfectly capable of aoe tanking with warriors. Its not impossible to effectively aoe tank on a warrior with reactive disk, nagelring, thorns, fireshield, ret aura etc... (a nice aoe tank macro helps too)

Its a weak counter-arguement as it doesnt mean that guilds should scramble to recruit a prot paladins.....it can be filled by a ret pally or holy which is more useful than a prot pally for the rest of raid.

i understand the ret pride, but know the class. holy just has more potential endgame no matter what. better for raiding and pvp :S