Ret Pve Tips/Guide

[Smiter]

if you are using R1 SoCom or Consec you are skimping on mana consumables you should always use max rank,

also you only listed roids, not including scorpok salt, any raiding ret should have both as they are unique.

You should never use flask of distilled wisdom over supreme power, that is nerfing your dps output.

Also a ret should use of oil of immolation on relevant fights

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And assessing your DPS in BWL; actually relevant content:

#13 Smiter 423384(196/s) 3.5%

Out of the raiding retribution paladins you come in 6th under Optilasgar, with the leading dps figures being 50% higher then your average

#1 Holystrike 299.8/s
#2 Dovane 242.6/s
#3 Miamie 236.4/s
#4 Krumbull 207.1/s
#5 Optilasgar 202.9/s
#6 Fluffydrake 193.4/s
#7 Tervel 177.7/s
#8 Morgrainne 134.0/s

You shouldnt try to boost your dps in irrelevant content through flasking where noone else is, I mean we dont even world buff for mc since we run it back on back with BWL, a comparison shows that there is only a 30 dps difference between you flasked and others unflasked.

your guide is lacking crucial elements and is recommending new rets skip on their consumables.

Have u noticed that im in 3/4 blues while others are in BWL gear?

[Smiter]

You should never use flask of distilled wisdom over supreme power, that is nerfing your dps output.

If you are using SotC to dps instead of SoC then flask of distilled wisdom is best BC supreme power will only boost your conse damage by 6/tick

[Smiter]

Thats because hes built his gear incorrectly and has focused purely on physical stats the minimum requirement is a 3500 mana pool unbuffed, to raid as ret and even still id preffer to have closer to 3800...
anything lower and you are gimping your dps output.

He also lacks the minimum 8% hit requirement for pve

cool keen to check it out.

Also to get 3500 mana you would have to get pvp gear. I see you in marshal gear. you expect every other ret pally to no life it for 3 months in pvp?

[Imbaslap]

amused

[Theloras]

Your dmg is shit and retri is shit. Reroll warrior

Just checked you out I already have higher dps records on both Razorgore (255.3 vs 280.6) and Broodlord (480.2 vs 491.6) then you... lets see if i can grab some other fights in the coming weeks... mr warrior.

Rekt by a Ret - damn this kid must be embarrassed now...

[Theloras]

One thing to remember guys is that Smiter and I were in the same guild for about a week (LOL @ Luminous Force) - I left due to DPS gear being ninja'd by their Prot warriors - but Smiter and I were planning on doing a double JotC debuff + Seal of Command/Judgement of Command rotation eventually.

He only recently got a 3.4 swing speed 2hander two weeks ago and a 3.5 swing speed weapon this past week so he was forced to use SotC due to game mechanics and PPM on SoC.

[Holystrike]

Have u noticed that im in 3/4 blues while others are in BWL gear?

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... yer=Smiter

Your gear is actually of solid quality either raiding or pre raid, however your stat allocation is wrong you didnt ballence your stats with int gear.

If you are using SotC to dps instead of SoC then flask of distilled wisdom is best BC supreme power will only boost your conse damage by 6/tick

You are doing it wrong you should use SoCom for higher dps output

Also to get 3500 mana you would have to get pvp gear. I see you in marshal gear. you expect every other ret pally to no life it for 3 months in pvp?

If you are trying to raid as ret it is a given that you should be trying your hardest to prove your spot in the raid, this doesnt seem to be your attitude, r13 is BiS forever however,

r4 can easily be achieved while levelling and if you had pvped casually while gearing you would more then likely have pvp blues which are stacked with str spell damage int and crit with the gloves being bis pre r12 gloves. Also there are other pieces you can get which are not from pvp which grant great ret stats.

Instead ~ Rank: Sergeant(3)

[Theloras]

Have u noticed that im in 3/4 blues while others are in BWL gear?

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... yer=Smiter

Your gear is actually of solid quality either raiding or pre raid, however your stat allocation is wrong you didnt ballence your stats with int gear.

If you are using SotC to dps instead of SoC then flask of distilled wisdom is best BC supreme power will only boost your conse damage by 6/tick

You are doing it wrong you should use SoCom for higher dps output

Also to get 3500 mana you would have to get pvp gear. I see you in marshal gear. you expect every other ret pally to no life it for 3 months in pvp?

If you are trying to raid as ret it is a given that you should be trying your hardest to prove your spot in the raid, this doesnt seem to be your attitude, r13 is BiS forever however,

r4 can easily be achieved while levelling and if you had pvped casually while gearing you would more then likely have pvp blues which are stacked with spell damage int and crit with the gloves being bis pre r12 gloves. Also there are other pieces you can get which are not from pvp which grant great ret stats.

Instead ~ Rank: Sergeant(3)

Holy - he did actually say as much in the first post:

-SoC rotation: Judge SotC> R1 SoC (up at all times)> Max rank conse if vengence is up, if it is not then R1 (Supreme Power flask should be used with this rotation and only if you have a good 3.5 speed or slower weapon)

his original weapon when he came back to play was 3.0 swing speed - he only just got a 3.4 and 3.5 swing speed so prior to this, SotC was the only viable option for Seals to use.

As far as rank 12/13 items go, I'm rank 10 atm this week but I will probably stop ranking just cause I don't have the time to bring that much honour per week.

[smilkovpetko]

you guys know that sanctity work with judge of command?

max rank ftw for dps . + it uptime vengeance , in combination with socom and the white hits you will notice 30-50% uptime + nice dps.

[Theloras]

you guys know that sanctity work with judge of command?

max rank ftw for dps . + it uptime vengeance , in combination with socom and the white hits you will notice 30-50% uptime + nice dps.

Seal of Command is scaling with spell damage fine - I just ran a test with nothing but +spell dmg items:

http://imageshack.com/a/img921/9213/qpmpcJ.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img921/2805/a8tduf.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img922/7157/5gAh9h.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img924/1019/0VNgms.jpg

It is getting x200% crit modifier and also working with Vengeance as well for +15% dmg.

It is NOT scaling with Sanctity Aura still to this day unfortunately:

Sanctity Aura
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1344

Judgement of Command works with Sanctity Aura however as Duki said above for +10% holy damage and also scaling with spell dmg as well.