Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by JCarrill0 » Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:26 pm

I was going to make a new Topic but after searching the forums I found this thread, so as a paladin I decided to "Revive" it with new life.
DrearyYew wrote:the options are:

20/0/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sEou0xZZxfctMcqo

or

9/11/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#svZxGzZxfctMcqo

I'm really leaning to the 20/0/31 build, since I think the benefits from the Holy tree would be slightly better than that of the Protection tree, especially when you consider that in group PvP settings, there will likely be another Paladin with the Blessing of Kings talent.

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on this.


Personally I think there is ONE basic build for paladins, but I will post a few. I will also mention we have since made a thread about many talent specs called "Paladin specs galore"
JCarrill0 wrote:Retribution Paladin Basic

Reckoning Paladin Starter - This is a 0/25/0 Basic Build. 1 into Redoubt so you can actually count the Reck stacks (ReckCounter is an addon instead).

Reckoning Ret Paladin PvP - This is a 0/25/26 Build.

Reckoning AoE Paladin PvP - This is a 0/25/26 Build. Gotta love AoE


The basic build is 11 Holy (for AoE)/8 Protection (For 3% hit)/32 Retribution. I feel 3 points into precision is better then 3 points into Vindication, becuase imo Vindication is a wasted debuff for PvP, while Hit is a must. 3 points that would of been used for Vindication was used for benediction leaving one point left overall to be used for another point into benediction. You want to save mana for using seals.

The rest of the builds are for "Reckoning" and I highly recommend them if you want to do massive one shot damage.

Shockadin is pretty simple to make.
let's get started:
Holy - Obvious choice for shockadin since the name comes from holy shock (31 talent in holy tree)
  • 0/5 Divine Strength, 5/5 Divine intellect - Focus comes from Spell Damage so you need the 10% int, Str make your melee go up, but if you want Divine str, you should be doing ret build.
  • 3/5 Spiritual Focus, 5/5 Improved Seal of Righteousness - Main judgements will be coming from this seal, so it's obvious you want it maxed out. 3/5 into the other since while healing will be important, it should not be a priority.
  • 3/3 Healing Light, 1/1 Consecration, 0/2 Improved Lay on Hands, 2/2 Unyielding Faith - If your going to heal at all, you want the healing light maxed out so you get the most out of it. Consecration is obvious for the AOE, With Improved Lay on hands can be VERY useful, I feel for PvP it not something to be priority. Lastly 2/2 Unyielding Faith is useful even for 10%, however if you feel Spiritual focus is better suited, feel free to swop out the Talents.
  • 5/5 Illumination, 0/2 Improved Wisdom - Illumination is a must have for the Holy Shock ability, Imp Wisdom is not a prio, you still can use wisdom, plus if you have a pvp healadin in your raid they already (most likely) have imp wisdom which eliminates your need to have it.
  • 1/1 Divine Favor, 0/3 lasting judgements - Divine Favor, required for Holy Shock plus an awesome ability, Lasting Judgements are not a prio in pvp imo
  • 5/5 Holy Power - 5% spell crit is needed for shockadins.
  • 1/1 Holy Shock - The ability is 30 sec CD which is for Offense/Defense. Awesome Ability in PvP!

The last build is a personal favorite of a friend of mine who currently uses r13 gear (previous private server). Feel free to add your own opinions, comments, complaints, suggestions, just keep the trolling to a min plz.
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Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by Viorus » Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:40 pm

Ret pallies are OP, just Off-heal and you'll be set.
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Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by Mathemagician » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:12 pm

alucard001 wrote:Trust me.

-Reckret without decent gear
-Shockadin Ret with T1 and T2
-Vengeance Ret with PVP set / Crit+Strength pieces, AQ40 gear and some. (Best Ret build, but it requires high crit rating).

Respectives builds are:

1) http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=1121 ... 0512203100
2) http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=1121 ... p5223c512g
3) http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=1121 ... 03512c3151

If you need more explanation why, i can tell you.

1) Without good gear, you don't have a shit of crit as Ret, you don't have spell dmg either, so your judgments do low dmg, and you barely stack Vengeance, so Reckret is your best option. For every crit you get, you will get high dmg. If you are not getting dmg, your dmg will be almost same that with full Ret talents. Besides, this build reduces your HoJ cooldown which is useful cos it duplicates your Judgment of Command's dmg. And more survivability ofc.

2) If you have Tier 1 or 2, you obviously will have spell dmg increased by X. Then is your time to play as Shockadin. A balanced dmg healing ret, is really useful in many situations, and very superior to a ungeared Reckret.

3) Once you have full crit ret (you will get this only with specific blue/epic(rare) pieces, PVP gear and AQ40 gear, obviously, it will take a long time for being ready to play this build), you are allowed to play a real Retardin. As full crit ret (gear which provides crit will also give you good strength/sp dmg, be sure of that), you will get Vengeance buff. 15% dmg, insane, with a good weapon you will crit 1k1 per swing, if lucky. With vengeance you will crit 1k5 per swing, a insane dmg, good healing and cleanse ofc).
Thats why a ret is awesome , but just with insane gear. In general, classes don't need endgame gear to be useful, ret needs.

PD: In my opinion Reckret and Shockadin sucks compared with other classes, but they are not useless either.
Be happy with ur Pala :D, i hope this help you.


The links on these talent calculators is broken

I'm particularly interested in the Vengeance Ret build

Can anyone see the link, or perhaps recommend a vengeance Ret build?
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Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by JCarrill0 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:33 pm

Mathemagician wrote:
The links on these talent calculators is broken

I'm particularly interested in the Vengeance Ret build

Can anyone see the link, or perhaps recommend a vengeance Ret build?

Go up 3 post from this one, I have a few posted with working links.
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Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by murdock1116 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:37 pm

You may want to try something like this build:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sE0uoxoZZxfztrcq

Seems like you want to play ret, but also do off healing. I know this build isn't min/max by any means but it allows you to be a really good skirmisher. Especially in 2v2's or 3v3's, world pvp/running around with a DPS buddy like a Warrior or Rogue. And is really fun! It's kinda like how Jamaz used to play if you are familiar with his pvp videos.

One thing you got to make sure is with this build you get no Precision, so you have to make sure you have the Hit gear to compensate.

Divine Favor is such a great talent, Repentance is good but Divine Favor lets you "reset" a fight more imho, because you pretty much get full life on a crit heal that costs no mana. Repentance is more a gap closer imho. (the one point in Vindication could go Deflection or Benediction, or you could forego Eye for an Eye and put those 3 points elsewhere. But Pally's need help against casters)
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Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by smilkovpetko » Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:10 am

JC links none of them are shockadins . are you giving us False info ?>
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Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by JCarrill0 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:03 pm

smilkovpetko wrote:JC links none of them are shockadins . are you giving us False info ?>

Check the links again. *reported for trolling*
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Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by smilkovpetko » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:56 pm

hah trolling because i asked simple question ? LOL
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Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by JCarrill0 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:24 pm

smilkovpetko wrote:JC links none of them are shockadins . are you giving us False info ?>

can you explain this a bit more? What do you mean they do not link to shockadins?
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Re: Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

by smilkovpetko » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:16 pm

shockadin without holy shock is not shockadin.
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