Paladin specs galore

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JCarrill0

1) i did not check the full healer spec so sorry for repeting you but still nice to see i did that one right
2) about the retardin spec - i know the benedic talant is broken right now . it was intended more like a pvp spec not pve so sorry for that one
3)tankadin spec - did not know about the 1 handed spec beeing broken so tnx for that an i chose the imp crusade so i could hold the main boss agro better ( but like i said im not sure about that)
4)tank\healer - i chose Imp Devo over Redoubt for the sole purpos of armor increse for tank when healing i think of this spec more like aoe suport spec (i havent tryed it myselfe so this is on a big question mark)

[JCarrill0]

JCarrill0

1) i did not check the full healer spec so sorry for repeting you but still nice to see i did that one right
2) about the retardin spec - i know the benedic talant is broken right now . it was intended more like a pvp spec not pve so sorry for that one
3)tankadin spec - did not know about the 1 handed spec beeing broken so tnx for that an i chose the imp crusade so i could hold the main boss agro better ( but like i said im not sure about that)
4)tank\healer - i chose Imp Devo over Redoubt for the sole purpos of armor increse for tank when healing i think of this spec more like aoe suport spec (i havent tryed it myselfe so this is on a big question mark)

Ah very good, thank you for the reply
If your going PvP for the ret spec, perhaps go 5/5 imp might? (this way your not wasting 5 points for a broken talents.
Tanks already have alot of armor, Redoubt also help block which negates the dmg which helps regardless of armor. this is why I suggest redoubt > Imp Devo.

Ah, then you'd take the 2 out of BOM and put them in Unyielding Faith.

If you're speccing for PvE then its safe to assume your raid has at least 1 ret pally for JOW, and he'll spec 5/5 might. No reason to put the points there, they're better off spent hoping for a fear resist to heal a MT during fear.

I still have yet to have ANY Ret Paladins in any PvE Raid. UF while useful for PvE, is more useful for PvP (imo)

[Theloras]

I still have yet to have ANY Ret Paladins in any PvE Raid. UF while useful for PvE, is more useful for PvP (imo)

I hate to say it but it's not going to happen until 16 debuff slots open up and our bugs get fixed (i.e. Consecration has its hidden debuff removed):

Sanctity Aura
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1344

[Paladin]Two Consecrations won't stack
https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1160

All AOE Spells Consuming a Debuff Slot
http://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=1421

[JCarrill0]

I'm not concerned about not getting Ret Paladins in raids

[TheFishyOne]

Possibly something like this for PvP Ret: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sxxuzxZZxf0trfVo

No Sanc Aura, cause it's so broken, but not completely sure on 3/3 Healing Light or 2/2 Unyielding Faith. Ret PvP goodness, with the capacity to Offheal in PvP (or to easily heal yourself, should you get jumped in the open world by Gankly Rottenfist).

[JCarrill0]

Possibly something like this for PvP Ret: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sxxuzxZZxf0trfVo

No Sanc Aura, cause it's so broken, but not completely sure on 3/3 Healing Light or 2/2 Unyielding Faith. Ret PvP goodness, with the capacity to Offheal in PvP (or to easily heal yourself, should you get jumped in the open world by Gankly Rottenfist).

Precision maybe?

[TheFishyOne]

Yes, I suppose +hit is important in PvP, too. =)

After reading up on it, assuming they ever fix the glaring problems with Ret atm, I might try http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sxxzZxhZxf0trfqo as an all-purpose PvPvE spec.

BTW, is Vindication worth ANYTHING in either PvP or PvE?

[Theloras]

Yes, I suppose +hit is important in PvP, too. =)

After reading up on it, assuming they ever fix the glaring problems with Ret atm, I might try http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sxxzZxhZxf0trfqo as an all-purpose PvPvE spec.

BTW, is Vindication worth ANYTHING in either PvP or PvE?

PvE no since bosses have static dmg values and not attributes that players have - similarly, it may be bugged as it was on Feenix and able to proc against raid bosses which is meni bad with only 8 debuff slots atm - especially since the debuff is useless.

PvP it isn't bad as an extra debuff for your opponent or his healer to have to cleanse off but overall it's meh.

[smilkovpetko]

even eye for an eye, repentance and improved retribution aura are useless in pve too . (as dps) .

unless you aoe tank as dps .

If you want to try pure pve :

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sE0zZxhZEf0tbcq

(i am aware of bugs) but i link pure pve spec.

[Theloras]

even eye for an eye, repentance and improved retribution aura are useless in pve too . (as dps) .

unless you aoe tank as dps .

Repentance has its uses in PvE as a ranged pull (if the Paladin isn't an Engineer) and also useful in Naxx on the adds before Grand Widow.

But yes, Imp Ret Aura is good for when I AoE tank.