How do i do tankadin?

[Robotron]

Paladin tanking is not viable until TBC.

[smilkovpetko]

Paladin tanking is not viable until TBC.

how come that was viable with me tanking everything in vanilla as paladin?

do you have any evidence to prove me wrong or just what forums/people talk?

[Theloras]

Paladin tanking is not viable until TBC.

Paladins out agro Warriors in Single Target fights by a significant margin and absolutely blow warriors threat out of the water in any AoE fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXJNCdIJ6dI
- Prot Warrior with Force Reactive Disk doing LOL AoE dmg and threat with the DPS having to wait almost 20 seconds before doing their dmg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy1uk0k ... h_response
- another Prot Warrior with Force Reactive Disk doing LOL AoE dmg and threat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rFEMKiRxKw
- Paladin with Tier 2 and 2.5 gear with Force Reactive Disk = meni dead mobs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPeUCinVckA
- here is Killerduki himself rounding up a large number of mobs with Retribution Aura while wearing full BiS Paladin tanking gear and then mowing them down with max Rank Consecration = meni meni meni dead mobs and he's not even using Force reactive Disk lol

[Mchayes]

Paladin tanking is not viable until TBC.

Paladins out agro Warriors in Single Target fights by a significant margin and absolutely blow warriors threat out of the water in any AoE fight:

Bit of an overstatement, you posted a video of a warrior tank that absolutely hadn't a single clue. (Not cleaving, shouting)
I tank as a paladin here and as a warrior, naturally a warrior needs 4.5sec longer for threat. To chug in a couple of battle shouts. But I tank (imps) just fine without dps having to wait 20sec. As a paladin I also ask dps to wait till all mobs are sucking up consecrate ticks or they'll have to tank the mobs themselves.

I see a lot of you are reading over Uta's post which is one of the finer ways of tanking as a paladin. Consecrate scaling with AP. Gearing for spelldmg, meh, just pot for it. Gear normally and slap the bosses silly with a fast 1hander & SotC, hello mana.

In the Killerduki video (whom is extremely nax geared(right?)) I see his consecrate is ticking for 115, is this rank1 or max rank, because I easily achieve that number without having to chug a potion for it(yes, maybe a trueshot aura and selfbuffs).

In any case I deem Paladintanking just fine in vanilla. It's just the taunt thats missing.

[Theloras]

Paladin tanking is not viable until TBC.

Paladins out agro Warriors in Single Target fights by a significant margin and absolutely blow warriors threat out of the water in any AoE fight:

Bit of an overstatement, you posted a video of a warrior tank that absolutely hadn't a single clue. (Not cleaving, shouting)
I tank as a paladin here and as a warrior, naturally a warrior needs 4.5sec longer for threat. To chug in a couple of battle shouts. But I tank (imps) just fine without dps having to wait 20sec. As a paladin I also ask dps to wait till all mobs are sucking up consecrate ticks or they'll have to tank the mobs themselves.

I see a lot of you are reading over Uta's post which is one of the finer ways of tanking as a paladin. Consecrate scaling with AP. Gearing for spelldmg, meh, just pot for it. Gear normally and slap the bosses silly with a fast 1hander & SotC, hello mana.

In the Killerduki video (whom is extremely nax geared(right?)) I see his consecrate is ticking for 115, is this rank1 or max rank, because I easily achieve that number without having to chug a potion for it(yes, maybe a trueshot aura and selfbuffs).

In any case I deem Paladintanking just fine in vanilla. It's just the taunt thats missing.

I don't know what rank Consecrate Duki was using in that video - better if he responds to that - but that was on Peenix, not here.

At any rate regarding our lack of taunt, here are my thoughts on the matter:

First off, 75% of the raid bosses are immune to taunt to begin with...

And secondly, both Challenging Shout and Taunt can and do miss since they are actually considered spells and thus require +Spell Hit to work properly which is why Warrior Tier 3 Dreadnaught armour has the following set bonus:

4 pieces: Improves your chance to hit with Taunt and Challenging Shout by 5%.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?itemset=523

And warriors would use this trinket in combination with the T3 Dreadnaught set bonus in order to 100% make sure that taunt would work in the Four Horsemen fight:

Nat Pagle's Broken Reel
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 60
Use: Increases the chance to hit with spells by 10% for 15 sec. (cooldown 1.25 min)

By valkyr on 11/25/2006 (Patch 1.12.2)
Makes Four Horsemen a joke. 4 piece Dreadnaught takes spell resist chance down to 11%, so with this you have a 1% chance to resist taunt.

The cooldown is only 1.25 minutes, so by the time the tank has to get to the next station, its cooldown is up. The fight is certainly possible to do without it, just makes learning/executing the transitions a whole hell of a lot easier.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19947

[smilkovpetko]

As a paladin I also ask dps to wait till all mobs are sucking up consecrate ticks or they'll have to tank the mobs themselves.

Then you must been doing something wrong about this . Rotation or Gear . But anyway it's player/s choice.

I never request DPS to wait at all :

Using Retri aura and Sanctuary.
Holy shield pre pull - Sor - jor - consecration - sor 2 swings - sotc - jotc - sor -consecration = dps could do max dps even at beginning with that.

Thats why you go for 100 Spell Damage or more in current Patch (which can be achieved with weapon and consumes) .
Under 100 Spell Damage on you this will be normal what you just said , but also a wrong way to waste time toward raid and low threat.

Consecration is part of rotation but not our Main Threat Generator on Main Targets.
Sor,Jor,HS,JoTC is the key.

In the Killerduki video (whom is extremely nax geared(right?)) I see his consecrate is ticking for 115, is this rank1 or max rank, because I easily achieve that number without having to chug a potion for it(yes, maybe a trueshot aura and selfbuffs).

Thank you for this statement , at least you shown many People that Peenix was bugged pretty much compare to Nostalrius.

I always use Max Ranks from all Abilities (but i rarely/almost never drink mana) and there is no question about it since i never downrank.

The problem in Peenix as i already Mention was 70% Bugged Abilities that Nerf us Paladins to the ground.
Here in Nostalrius i can do Twice better than i did in Peenix.

This is what i always talk about , if i could Manage 10/15 Naxx in Peenix then in Nostalrius there is no question about that i can do much better and much easier here. Because here my Abilities working (almost) 100% proper .

Theoloras Spell Coefficient.

10% Seal of Righteousness with 1 handed weapon
50% Judgement of Righteousness
33% Consecration
43% Exorcism
20% Holy Shield

This have been already tested here in Nostalrius and it works as intended.
Thats why you go for spell damage (currently required 100) = to increase your threats faster and higher.

Only thing that Theoloras is missing is the Attack Power Coefficient and i would be glad if he do that.

[Mchayes]

Not sure why you begin about the long list of taunt and it's misses, I just mentioned that it's all we lack. right?

About asking dps to wait, it's more about mobs that come in last/later. If I pull initially DPS doesn't need to wait atall, indeed. Just spread out mobs make it iffy. Never played paladin on wasong/ed but yea.. thats feenix

Would also love to see AP calculus.

I almost exclusively use r1 consecrate to not drink so much. On pulls I pop a max rank for the initial agro 'burst'.

[Theloras]

Not sure why you begin about the long list of taunt and it's misses, I just mentioned that it's all we lack. right?

About asking dps to wait, it's more about mobs that come in last/later. If I pull initially DPS doesn't need to wait atall, indeed. Just spread out mobs make it iffy. Never played paladin on wasong/ed but yea.. thats feenix

Would also love to see AP calculus.

I almost exclusively use r1 consecrate to not drink so much. On pulls I pop a max rank for the initial agro 'burst'.

I only brought it up because everyone says we can't tank because we don't have taunt.

The reality is that 75% of the raid bosses are immune to it and it misses more often than not because it's a spell which requires spell hit - not melee hit.

The other part of the equation is that unless it's a specifically coded boss fight fight which requires a tank switch, if a warrior has to use taunt then either the warrior failed by not putting out enough threat or a dps that failed by not watching KTM.

[smilkovpetko]

Not sure why you begin about the long list of taunt and it's misses, I just mentioned that it's all we lack. right?

About asking dps to wait, it's more about mobs that come in last/later. If I pull initially DPS doesn't need to wait atall, indeed. Just spread out mobs make it iffy. Never played paladin on wasong/ed but yea.. thats feenix

Would also love to see AP calculus.

I almost exclusively use r1 consecrate to not drink so much. On pulls I pop a max rank for the initial agro 'burst'.

I only brought it up because everyone says we can't tank because we don't have taunt.

The reality is that 75% of the raid bosses are immune to it and it misses more often than not because it's a spell which requires spell hit - not melee hit.

The other part of the equation is that unless it's a specifically coded boss fight fight which requires a tank switch, if a warrior has to use taunt then either the warrior failed by not putting out enough threat or a dps that failed by not watching KTM.

The other part of the equation is that unless it's a specifically coded boss fight fight which requires a tank switch

All those bosses that needs switch have abilities to reduce aggro or to remove aggro.
This make us Paladins viable for these bosses because Warrior will taunt you before boss remove your aggro.
This way your aggro stays and boss is back again on you.

I have every boss explanation how to as Paladin Tank , including this that "require switch".

[Theloras]

Not sure why you begin about the long list of taunt and it's misses, I just mentioned that it's all we lack. right?

About asking dps to wait, it's more about mobs that come in last/later. If I pull initially DPS doesn't need to wait atall, indeed. Just spread out mobs make it iffy. Never played paladin on wasong/ed but yea.. thats feenix

Would also love to see AP calculus.

I almost exclusively use r1 consecrate to not drink so much. On pulls I pop a max rank for the initial agro 'burst'.

I only brought it up because everyone says we can't tank because we don't have taunt.

The reality is that 75% of the raid bosses are immune to it and it misses more often than not because it's a spell which requires spell hit - not melee hit.

The other part of the equation is that unless it's a specifically coded boss fight fight which requires a tank switch, if a warrior has to use taunt then either the warrior failed by not putting out enough threat or a dps that failed by not watching KTM.

The other part of the equation is that unless it's a specifically coded boss fight fight which requires a tank switch

All those bosses that needs switch have abilities to reduce aggro or to remove aggro.
This make us Paladins viable for these bosses because Warrior will taunt you before boss remove your aggro.
This way your aggro stays and boss is back again on you.

I have every boss explanation how to as Paladin Tank , including this that "require switch".

I stand corrected