Crusader or Command?

[GTrax]

Now if you take into account the "5second rule" mana regeneration into account. Mana efficiency can differ.

For example if you are using SotC+Consecration. You will always get 2ticks of mana before recasting Consecration. If you have 30mana per tick, thats easily half of the mana cost of Consecration r1, making it even more mana efficient. If you are using only JotC+SoC you regen mana back till the mob is dead and you have to JotC the next mob. For leveling purposes(or grinding at lvl 60) having mana ticks in mind when comparing diferent Rotations(playstyles) can be very valuable for a Paladin. Spirit>Intelect duh... for leveling esp.

Using mana regen ticks when im tanking dungeons with SotC+Consecration lets me never OOM before healer or other mana users while tanking just fine.

[smilkovpetko]

Now if you take into account the "5second rule" mana regeneration into account. Mana efficiency can differ.

For example if you are using SotC+Consecration. You will always get 2ticks of mana before recasting Consecration. If you have 30mana per tick, thats easily half of the mana cost of Consecration r1, making it even more mana efficient. If you are using only JotC+SoC you regen mana back till the mob is dead and you have to JotC the next mob. For leveling purposes(or grinding at lvl 60) having mana ticks in mind when comparing diferent Rotations(playstyles) can be very valuable for a Paladin. Spirit>Intelect duh... for leveling esp.

Using mana regen ticks when im tanking dungeons with SotC+Consecration lets me never OOM before healer or other mana users while tanking just fine.

Did you tried r1 Command with consecration?

p.s the topic poster didn't count that . since r1 and max r command does same job. (except their judgement).

in all my runs from what i seen ret pala with command always did the best dps .

Depend on situation , 1 Target JoTc + Command = biggest dps output and you end up full mana so you can do extra consecrations in this job to increase even more dps.

AoE or let say 3 targ + situation ofc consecration with JoTc . (at 40+ lvl sow/jow with consecration max rank).

[Kazarak]

I plan on testing again this weekend with both test sets being at the same level. This will be a better comparison.

- SotC (max rank)
- JotC (max rank) + SoC (r1)

[smilkovpetko]

I plan on testing again this weekend with both test sets being at the same level. This will be a better comparison.

- SotC (max rank)
- JotC (max rank) + SoC (r1)

Remember that SoC scale too high with Weapon so it matters what sort of weapon you use.

Faster weapon will favor more SotC , Slower will favor more SoC + JotC.

p.s even with same weapon (faster example) (2h) SoC + JotC will give more dps than JotC

(1h) SotC will Win.

(example for your level most efficient weapon for max DPS and using command will be SM Axe or Paladin Quest Weapon) .

[Kazarak]

I retested the two skill rotations I was curious about last night in Arathi Highlands. I was killing 33-34 Orges in and around the cave west of Refugee Point. I'm still using Thermaplugg's Left Arm which has a delay of 2.70.

Unlike before, both test sets were done on the same mobs, with the same equipment while I was at the same level.

SotC (R4) + Cons (R1) = 105 DPS for 225 mana
JotC (R4) + SoC (R1) + Cons (R1) = 90 DPS for 340 mana

SoC did have the highest one-time DPS when it procced several times with: 180. But it also had the lowest one-time DPS when it didn't proc at all: 49. So SoC is much more random than SotC which was relatively consistent.

I can see SoC being nice in PvP when you stun a target and then Judge, but for leveling SotC is the clear winner - at least for my level, weapon and equipment.

[smilkovpetko]

I retested the two skill rotations I was curious about last night in Arathi Highlands. I was killing 33-34 Orges in and around the cave west of Refugee Point. I'm still using Thermaplugg's Left Arm which has a delay of 2.70.

Unlike before, both test sets were done on the same mobs, with the same equipment while I was at the same level.

SotC (R4) + Cons (R1) = 105 DPS for 225 mana
JotC (R4) + SoC (R1) + Cons (R1) = 90 DPS for 340 mana

SoC did have the highest one-time DPS when it procced several times with: 180. But it also had the lowest one-time DPS when it didn't proc at all: 49. So SoC is much more random than SotC which was relatively consistent.

I can see SoC being nice in PvP when you stun a target and then Judge, but for leveling SotC is the clear winner - at least for my level, weapon and equipment.

well 2.70 speed is too low for seal of command

you need something like 3 + speed.

Faster weapon will favor more SotC , Slower will favor more SoC + JotC.

p.s currently ap gives lot dmg to consecration which i agree with that trolls that consecration should not scale according to all theory's about wow with ap and their patches/notes/wikipedia

(the 2.0.1 "doesn't work with ap" is false). since there is nothing about it inside and is written by mistake.

[Kazarak]

Well, I did just get a Ravager from a SM run. This weapon is 3.50. When I get level 37 and can equip it, I'll try this again.

On a side note, Paladins supposedly suck in end game, but in the mid game they rule! The entire SM run I topped the DPS meter every fight. Now if my group would have not run around like chickens with their heads cut off every time they pulled agro off me... It's not like I have a taunt, people!

[smilkovpetko]

Well, I did just get a Ravager from a SM run. This weapon is 3.50. When I get level 37 and can equip it, I'll try this again.

On a side note, Paladins supposedly suck in end game, but in the mid game they rule! The entire SM run I topped the DPS meter every fight. Now if my group would have not run around like chickens with their heads cut off every time they pulled agro off me... It's not like I have a taunt, people!

we don't suck , we are just broken . that is the problem. when our bugs and stuffs get together fixed i will show how we are at high end

[Phoynix]

Kazarak SOC needs 3.2 or slower weapon speeds to be effective.

Further SOC appears bugged... SOC damage seems to be effected by armor.

Or as I suspect the primary weapon damage calculation is taking into account armor and then basing SOC damage off that already reduced damage. In Classic fighting warriors and heavily armored mobs SOC would often do more damage then the physical attack. I have not seen this once yet even when fighting higher level players who have far more armor then needed to reach 30% physical damage reduction at which point SOC should by causing the same or greater damage.

Try to get the pacifier thats a weapon fit for a SOC pally, and you can one shot most cloth wearers with SOC proc of the same level.
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=6327
Also from I think from 1.3 SOC couldn't be dodged blocked or parried only resisted which is not in game.

[Kazarak]

Pacifier? Nice! I'll have to start looking for Lo'Grosh when I'm running around Alterec Mountains!

Although I already have Ravager sitting in the bank. It's a 3.50 speed axe.