Ret/Holy Hybrid Paladin PvP

[JCarrill0]

shockadin without holy shock is not shockadin.

What are you talking about? the link provided has holy shock... lol are you trolling?

[smilkovpetko]

lol you just edited your post and deleted them .. nice try

[JCarrill0]

lol you just edited your post and deleted them .. nice try

um, no there is no edit date on that. (This is why you were reported for trolling by the way.)

[smilkovpetko]

JCarrill0 wrote:
Retribution Paladin Basic

Reckoning Paladin Starter - This is a 0/25/0 Basic Build. 1 into Redoubt so you can actually count the Reck stacks (ReckCounter is an addon instead).

Reckoning Ret Paladin PvP - This is a 0/25/26 Build.

Reckoning AoE Paladin PvP - This is a 0/25/26 Build. Gotta love AoE

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 2&start=20

[smilkovpetko]

um, no there is no edit date on that. (This is why you were reported for trolling by the way.)

Trolling? i expressed my opinion and why would i be forbidden to do it ?.

Therefore you are reported for advertising another project.

[JCarrill0]

um, no there is no edit date on that. (This is why you were reported for trolling by the way.)

Trolling? i expressed my opinion and why would i be forbidden to do it ?.

Therefore you are reported for advertising another project.

What are you talking about? I haven't advertising another project, I linked to a talent calculator.

[shamwow]

So, I have decided to jump ship from Warrior to Paladin for PvP on launch. I know I'll be doing less damage, but I like having the ability to pump out some strong self-healing, as well as support healing for others, while maintaining a respectable damage output. Also, bubble OP.

Now, I need to decide on a build. I don't really want to run some gimmicky reckoning build, and I really like the idea of having repentance for an extra reset button in 1v1s, and an extra CC for group PvP.

As for the rest of my 20 points, this is where it gets tricky. I could go for Blessing of Kings in the Protection tree, and dump the remaining points into Holy, or I could go up and grab 5/5 Illumination, as well as all of the benefits that the Holy tree brings to my healing.

So, the options are:

20/0/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sEou0xZZxfctMcqo

or

9/11/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#svZxGzZxfctMcqo

I'm really leaning to the 20/0/31 build, since I think the benefits from the Holy tree would be slightly better than that of the Protection tree, especially when you consider that in group PvP settings, there will likely be another Paladin with the Blessing of Kings talent.

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

You call reckoning gimmicky? what has the world come to?

Ok ok so the world has come to this

You: If reckoning is gimmicky, windfury is gimmicky, mana burn and mind control is gimmicky, deathcoil and soul link is gimmicky, presence of mind is gimmicky and fear and sheep + bandage are gimmicky. Or actually lets call spell damage gimmicky.

Me: Reckoning is the same as all those spells. If actually it uses MUCH more skill since your hitting for less damage of around 1000 each 3.5 seconds and making a longer duel then a 5 second 1-2 shot mage duel to show skill each time you get crit having to survive the big crits to do damage in a duel and you are doing an average of 500-700 dps a second due to the fact you do less damage each hit as a reck paladin means you have more skill then, 1 shot mages, 1 shot locks, 2 shot shammies, 2 shot warriors, mana burn rank 1 dot shadow priest shadow vulnerability, or then a single soulfire, pom pyro, shadowbolt crit at 6-8k dps attack with no SKILL. Whichever class does more damage actually has less skill to show, doesn't matter if his class has 1 million spells or how much iceblock kiting skills I use, or poly bandage skills and no matter if he has 20 times more spells and your paladin has 1 attack spell. If I am doing level 70 damage at level 60, no matter how many spells I have for more escapes, I 1 shot with pyro, that is LESS skill then any other spec in the game skill since its a 1 shot fest. With reck spec you don't 1 shot in pvp. What are you gonna do? sit all day? Its annoying. You will just keep swinging at 700 dps. Not a 7-8k dps pom + pyro in 1 second. So bad... that spec is soooo bad.... huh, yep pom is bad, any baby can 1 shot u at 5 yrs old, yet a baby playing a reck paladin needs to use more skill involved. So much gimmick... sooooo baddddddddddd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQkybj7wfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6J40oaIbmo

YEAH so much skill, seeing a level 60 warlock do as much damage as a level 70 8.7k crit lock... and those are less gimmicky then reckoning... true true

If you don't play reckoning spec, then don't play an even more gimmicky nuke class


A skilled mage is someone like VURTNE. Not a 1 shot noob mage or 1 shot noob destro lock, A lock who is affliction is skilled if he can kill you rather then a 1 shot lock. Get it now??? but im sure you already knew that
Here is a tip: The longer the duel, the more skill involved or is needed. Rather then the longer the duel, the more of a noob you are. The duel is lasting 20 seconds, not 400 hours as a noob. Rather then a noob duel of 1-0 seconds from a mage
Derp

We all know reckoning does the highest damage in the game when charged but I could do that too as a mage, I could use combustion and charge up my crit to 70%. Why bother? Don't sit, just play normally and its much less then a cheap noob noskill class then the trash 1 shot from a majenoodles, bspriest or warlock. If you cant see the how retarded the mage, priest, warlock spell damage is, you should keep playing that class cuz ur retarded to not realized how pro of a fight it is using a paladin to beat a stupid 1 shot class with pom, deathcoil + sb/soulfire, mc off cliff.

Even as a windfury shaman you at least need some skill when your slowed. Or the skill nedded as a rogue. Rogues use skill more then mages, warlocks and priests in vanilla. Those 3 classes are retarded as fuk and just BULLSHIT. qq Dx... jokes (happy tree friends) I don't care about qqs. I just like letting people know that.

The funny part is the amount of skill needed to play a 1 shot class like a mage, lock, mc priest is terribly low.

When you start to get upwards to 500-750 spell damage. Your class starts to achieve no skill.
850 spell damage bis lock + 204 + 175 from the double trinkets + 150 flask + 36 oil + 35 potion with 15% crit + 5-10% crit from songflower serenade 1hr buff which anyc caster can get in felwood and que at ashensvale. 25% crit 5-5.5k hp and almost 1500 spell damage. That's more then a t6 warlock and as much as season geared 70s. Cletus AHYAAAAAAAAAA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XU1imDDyCk

[smilkovpetko]

So, I have decided to jump ship from Warrior to Paladin for PvP on launch. I know I'll be doing less damage, but I like having the ability to pump out some strong self-healing, as well as support healing for others, while maintaining a respectable damage output. Also, bubble OP.

Now, I need to decide on a build. I don't really want to run some gimmicky reckoning build, and I really like the idea of having repentance for an extra reset button in 1v1s, and an extra CC for group PvP.

As for the rest of my 20 points, this is where it gets tricky. I could go for Blessing of Kings in the Protection tree, and dump the remaining points into Holy, or I could go up and grab 5/5 Illumination, as well as all of the benefits that the Holy tree brings to my healing.

So, the options are:

20/0/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sEou0xZZxfctMcqo

or

9/11/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#svZxGzZxfctMcqo

I'm really leaning to the 20/0/31 build, since I think the benefits from the Holy tree would be slightly better than that of the Protection tree, especially when you consider that in group PvP settings, there will likely be another Paladin with the Blessing of Kings talent.

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

You call reckoning gimmicky? what has the world come to?

Ok ok so the world has come to this

You: If reckoning is gimmicky, windfury is gimmicky, mana burn and mind control is gimmicky, deathcoil and soul link is gimmicky, presence of mind is gimmicky and fear and sheep + bandage are gimmicky. Or actually lets call spell damage gimmicky.

Me: Reckoning is the same as all those spells. If actually it uses MUCH more skill since your hitting for less damage of around 1000 each 3.5 seconds and making a longer duel then a 5 second 1-2 shot mage duel to show skill each time you get crit having to survive the big crits to do damage in a duel and you are doing an average of 500-700 dps a second due to the fact you do less damage each hit as a reck paladin means you have more skill then, 1 shot mages, 1 shot locks, 2 shot shammies, 2 shot warriors, mana burn rank 1 dot shadow priest shadow vulnerability, or then a single soulfire, pom pyro, shadowbolt crit at 6-8k dps attack with no SKILL. Whichever class does more damage actually has less skill to show, doesn't matter if his class has 1 million spells or how much iceblock kiting skills I use, or poly bandage skills and no matter if he has 20 times more spells and your paladin has 1 attack spell. If I am doing level 70 damage at level 60, no matter how many spells I have for more escapes, I 1 shot with pyro, that is LESS skill then any other spec in the game skill since its a 1 shot fest. With reck spec you don't 1 shot in pvp. What are you gonna do? sit all day? Its annoying. You will just keep swinging at 700 dps. Not a 7-8k dps pom + pyro in 1 second. So bad... that spec is soooo bad.... huh, yep pom is bad, any baby can 1 shot u at 5 yrs old, yet a baby playing a reck paladin needs to use more skill involved. So much gimmick... sooooo baddddddddddd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQkybj7wfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6J40oaIbmo

YEAH so much skill, seeing a level 60 warlock do as much damage as a level 70 8.7k crit lock... and those are less gimmicky then reckoning... true true

If you don't play reckoning spec, then don't play an even more gimmicky nuke class


A skilled mage is someone like VURTNE. Not a 1 shot noob mage or 1 shot noob destro lock, A lock who is affliction is skilled if he can kill you rather then a 1 shot lock. Get it now??? but im sure you already knew that
Here is a tip: The longer the duel, the more skill involved or is needed. Rather then the longer the duel, the more of a noob you are. The duel is lasting 20 seconds, not 400 hours as a noob. Rather then a noob duel of 1-0 seconds from a mage
Derp

We all know reckoning does the highest damage in the game when charged but I could do that too as a mage, I could use combustion and charge up my crit to 70%. Why bother? Don't sit, just play normally and its much less then a cheap noob noskill class then the trash 1 shot from a majenoodles, bspriest or warlock. If you cant see the how retarded the mage, priest, warlock spell damage is, you should keep playing that class cuz ur retarded to not realized how pro of a fight it is using a paladin to beat a stupid 1 shot class with pom, deathcoil + sb/soulfire, mc off cliff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk_kHHI0t4o
Aug 13, 2006

see what happen when you use 20/0/31
it must be retard someone to replace retribution paladin for mage in pvp

this is not reckoning , this is retri pvp.

[shamwow]

So, I have decided to jump ship from Warrior to Paladin for PvP on launch. I know I'll be doing less damage, but I like having the ability to pump out some strong self-healing, as well as support healing for others, while maintaining a respectable damage output. Also, bubble OP.

Now, I need to decide on a build. I don't really want to run some gimmicky reckoning build, and I really like the idea of having repentance for an extra reset button in 1v1s, and an extra CC for group PvP.

As for the rest of my 20 points, this is where it gets tricky. I could go for Blessing of Kings in the Protection tree, and dump the remaining points into Holy, or I could go up and grab 5/5 Illumination, as well as all of the benefits that the Holy tree brings to my healing.

So, the options are:

20/0/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sEou0xZZxfctMcqo

or

9/11/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#svZxGzZxfctMcqo

I'm really leaning to the 20/0/31 build, since I think the benefits from the Holy tree would be slightly better than that of the Protection tree, especially when you consider that in group PvP settings, there will likely be another Paladin with the Blessing of Kings talent.

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

You call reckoning gimmicky? what has the world come to?

Ok ok so the world has come to this

You: If reckoning is gimmicky, windfury is gimmicky, mana burn and mind control is gimmicky, deathcoil and soul link is gimmicky, presence of mind is gimmicky and fear and sheep + bandage are gimmicky. Or actually lets call spell damage gimmicky.

Me: Reckoning is the same as all those spells. If actually it uses MUCH more skill since your hitting for less damage of around 1000 each 3.5 seconds and making a longer duel then a 5 second 1-2 shot mage duel to show skill each time you get crit having to survive the big crits to do damage in a duel and you are doing an average of 500-700 dps a second due to the fact you do less damage each hit as a reck paladin means you have more skill then, 1 shot mages, 1 shot locks, 2 shot shammies, 2 shot warriors, mana burn rank 1 dot shadow priest shadow vulnerability, or then a single soulfire, pom pyro, shadowbolt crit at 6-8k dps attack with no SKILL. Whichever class does more damage actually has less skill to show, doesn't matter if his class has 1 million spells or how much iceblock kiting skills I use, or poly bandage skills and no matter if he has 20 times more spells and your paladin has 1 attack spell. If I am doing level 70 damage at level 60, no matter how many spells I have for more escapes, I 1 shot with pyro, that is LESS skill then any other spec in the game skill since its a 1 shot fest. With reck spec you don't 1 shot in pvp. What are you gonna do? sit all day? Its annoying. You will just keep swinging at 700 dps. Not a 7-8k dps pom + pyro in 1 second. So bad... that spec is soooo bad.... huh, yep pom is bad, any baby can 1 shot u at 5 yrs old, yet a baby playing a reck paladin needs to use more skill involved. So much gimmick... sooooo baddddddddddd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQkybj7wfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6J40oaIbmo

YEAH so much skill, seeing a level 60 warlock do as much damage as a level 70 8.7k crit lock... and those are less gimmicky then reckoning... true true

If you don't play reckoning spec, then don't play an even more gimmicky nuke class


A skilled mage is someone like VURTNE. Not a 1 shot noob mage or 1 shot noob destro lock, A lock who is affliction is skilled if he can kill you rather then a 1 shot lock. Get it now??? but im sure you already knew that
Here is a tip: The longer the duel, the more skill involved or is needed. Rather then the longer the duel, the more of a noob you are. The duel is lasting 20 seconds, not 400 hours as a noob. Rather then a noob duel of 1-0 seconds from a mage
Derp

We all know reckoning does the highest damage in the game when charged but I could do that too as a mage, I could use combustion and charge up my crit to 70%. Why bother? Don't sit, just play normally and its much less then a cheap noob noskill class then the trash 1 shot from a majenoodles, bspriest or warlock. If you cant see the how retarded the mage, priest, warlock spell damage is, you should keep playing that class cuz ur retarded to not realized how pro of a fight it is using a paladin to beat a stupid 1 shot class with pom, deathcoil + sb/soulfire, mc off cliff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk_kHHI0t4o
Aug 13, 2006

see what happen when you use 20/0/31
it must be retard someone to replace retribution paladin for mage in pvp

this is not reckoning , this is retri pvp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk_kHHI0t4o

Any paladin must be retarded if they think ret is pvp. Ret is better for PVE.
Ret pvp is shit. Your repentance is USELESS vs good casters. You rely on vengeance when you never get to hit the mage much. Repentance is iceblocked 100% of the time by the mage or purged by the felhunter.

HIS DPS IS PATHETIC..... and he has t2.5 which is a beast compared to r14...

This is a BEAST DPS SPEC.... Reckoning....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECobYEpm-Bs


By speccing ret you send yourself to your death because your dps is too low. Its SHIT dps.
For every crit a reck paladin gets he can do 1500 hits with bis gear and spell damage scaling items.
Vengeance hits every 2-3 hits with 33% crit so you gain vengeance once every 8 seconds with 33% crit. A mage wont let you hit him much and youll be dead in 2-3 hits.

Ret is a luck spec, to me as a mage, your vengeance is useless. You need to get lucky and have a crit of 45% to get it off the first hit all the time. If you don't get it. Youll be dead in 5 seconds and vengeance is a waste of bagspace, while repentance is good for hunters its crappy against mages and locks who know what they are doing.

[shamwow]

So, I have decided to jump ship from Warrior to Paladin for PvP on launch. I know I'll be doing less damage, but I like having the ability to pump out some strong self-healing, as well as support healing for others, while maintaining a respectable damage output. Also, bubble OP.

Now, I need to decide on a build. I don't really want to run some gimmicky reckoning build, and I really like the idea of having repentance for an extra reset button in 1v1s, and an extra CC for group PvP.

As for the rest of my 20 points, this is where it gets tricky. I could go for Blessing of Kings in the Protection tree, and dump the remaining points into Holy, or I could go up and grab 5/5 Illumination, as well as all of the benefits that the Holy tree brings to my healing.

So, the options are:

20/0/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sEou0xZZxfctMcqo

or

9/11/31: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#svZxGzZxfctMcqo

I'm really leaning to the 20/0/31 build, since I think the benefits from the Holy tree would be slightly better than that of the Protection tree, especially when you consider that in group PvP settings, there will likely be another Paladin with the Blessing of Kings talent.

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

You call reckoning gimmicky? what has the world come to?

Ok ok so the world has come to this

You: If reckoning is gimmicky, windfury is gimmicky, mana burn and mind control is gimmicky, deathcoil and soul link is gimmicky, presence of mind is gimmicky and fear and sheep + bandage are gimmicky. Or actually lets call spell damage gimmicky.

Me: Reckoning is the same as all those spells. If actually it uses MUCH more skill since your hitting for less damage of around 1000 each 3.5 seconds and making a longer duel then a 5 second 1-2 shot mage duel to show skill each time you get crit having to survive the big crits to do damage in a duel and you are doing an average of 500-700 dps a second due to the fact you do less damage each hit as a reck paladin means you have more skill then, 1 shot mages, 1 shot locks, 2 shot shammies, 2 shot warriors, mana burn rank 1 dot shadow priest shadow vulnerability, or then a single soulfire, pom pyro, shadowbolt crit at 6-8k dps attack with no SKILL. Whichever class does more damage actually has less skill to show, doesn't matter if his class has 1 million spells or how much iceblock kiting skills I use, or poly bandage skills and no matter if he has 20 times more spells and your paladin has 1 attack spell. If I am doing level 70 damage at level 60, no matter how many spells I have for more escapes, I 1 shot with pyro, that is LESS skill then any other spec in the game skill since its a 1 shot fest. With reck spec you don't 1 shot in pvp. What are you gonna do? sit all day? Its annoying. You will just keep swinging at 700 dps. Not a 7-8k dps pom + pyro in 1 second. So bad... that spec is soooo bad.... huh, yep pom is bad, any baby can 1 shot u at 5 yrs old, yet a baby playing a reck paladin needs to use more skill involved. So much gimmick... sooooo baddddddddddd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQkybj7wfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6J40oaIbmo

YEAH so much skill, seeing a level 60 warlock do as much damage as a level 70 8.7k crit lock... and those are less gimmicky then reckoning... true true

If you don't play reckoning spec, then don't play an even more gimmicky nuke class


A skilled mage is someone like VURTNE. Not a 1 shot noob mage or 1 shot noob destro lock, A lock who is affliction is skilled if he can kill you rather then a 1 shot lock. Get it now??? but im sure you already knew that
Here is a tip: The longer the duel, the more skill involved or is needed. Rather then the longer the duel, the more of a noob you are. The duel is lasting 20 seconds, not 400 hours as a noob. Rather then a noob duel of 1-0 seconds from a mage
Derp

We all know reckoning does the highest damage in the game when charged but I could do that too as a mage, I could use combustion and charge up my crit to 70%. Why bother? Don't sit, just play normally and its much less then a cheap noob noskill class then the trash 1 shot from a majenoodles, bspriest or warlock. If you cant see the how retarded the mage, priest, warlock spell damage is, you should keep playing that class cuz ur retarded to not realized how pro of a fight it is using a paladin to beat a stupid 1 shot class with pom, deathcoil + sb/soulfire, mc off cliff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk_kHHI0t4o
Aug 13, 2006

see what happen when you use 20/0/31
it must be retard someone to replace retribution paladin for mage in pvp

this is not reckoning , this is retri pvp.

I can have with a 2 hand 550 spell damage with oil/potions/flask 315 resistance in t2 + blazefury + resis rings /vanilla resilience on my gear without 100 from the petrified scarab constantly which is a 75% damage reduction to all spells, use reck to have holy shield for a 95% block spec with the right items. I can literally be melee immortal since I have a 5% chance to be hit.

Since a mage does 75% less damage to me and Ill use scarab against their moam, they will do 1000 crits on my 5500 might of m hp if they critted 4000. Being crit for 1200 which gives me a reckbomb. All I need are 2 stacks of bombs or being crit twice. With bis gear, 2 stacks can do 4k damage enough to 1 shot any mage after I swung off his mana shield or crystal charged his ice barrier.

Which means resilience/resis + reckoning bomb vs mages/locks/ priests + 6k reckbomb= god mode

you can consecration burst 5k in 6 seconds without sanc aura in bis gear

You can use 1 hand and stygian shield + holy shield, engineering shield, blessing of sanc for more damage to slow down melee kiters with 95% block. You would do 800 dps by blocking with that setup


Any paladin not using blessing of sacrifice to stop poly doesn't need repentance, they can use shard of the fallen star as their range attack on hunters or iron grenade or goblin sapper charge or the best one, crystal charge. They are your repentances. don't be lazy its cheap. Buy 1k gold for cheap and get 5,000 of them.

If you don't know how blessing of sac, use restorative potion to be immune to cc for 30 sec, its a level 35 cheap as hell potion.