How do i do tankadin?

[smilkovpetko]

There is also "Balancing" Threats and "Control" over Threats , Example 1st Boss in AQ20 . You start Tanking the Boss 1st , when you get 7 "Debuffs" , The Warrior taunt you but he does not make any threats or do some low, once Debuffs are gone you consecrate and judge = the Aggro is again on you.

- Same Rule Apply for "4HM" Boss in Naxx where the 4th Horse that hits Holy is doable this way -

The boss can be killed last.
The Boss Reduce the Aggro from the Target Each Debuff and it will be "automatic taunt" for Paladin.
You can stack and survive up to 8 "Debuffs" and this horse is Doable with 2 Tanks only since my hp can go up to 14k.
Meanwhile other 4-5 or 6 Tanks are switching among rest 3 Horses.

[Jacht]

I love whenever a vanilla server comes out - we can revisit the "IT SUCKS NO REAL RAIDING GUILD WOULD BRING ONE" discussion.

Pally tanks are doable - I raided as one on ED with Honorable before the server pretty much died. You absolutely demolish any 5 man faster than an equally skilled warrior ever could, which is great for a variety of things in vanilla. Having on in ZG is gold. Say goodbye to having to use crowd control except for blooddrinkers. It speeds it up immenselely. Oh, and I make Jin'do trash cake.

As for 40 mans, it's a bit tougher. I can tank most anything in MC besides shazz. Rag is a bit tough to build decent threat on as well. Trash is all pretty simple. In BWL it is much tougher, as wing buffet and not having taunt will make those taunt toggle bosses a bit tough. Don't even think about chromag, impossible. In BWL you are basically relegated to tanking ALL the helps and goblin packs, and demolishing one side in the Nef fight as well as grabbing everything that pops in phase 3.

It is doable, and tons of fun, as you get that unique snowflake feeling while still contributing to the raid quite aa bit. But WARNING - you need every consumable to ever tank anything that hits remotely hard and for all bosses.

Think about it - You need to gear strictly for tankiness. No spell dmg except for one weapon if you consecration swap for more threat. If you dont, you will get crushed to death. But since magic dmg is your threat, you need every caster consumable and a million pots/runes. You ALSO need every tank consumable. Every tank has to bring them, if you want to be a tank, bring them, or you will get laughed at, and you should.

Oh, and if you hate healing like I do, you also need a Nightfall for bosses where you are not needed to tank. Judge wis/light, seal of righteousness, and go watch a movie.

So in conclusion, yes, it is playable and very useful when done right. But be prepared to farm a literal ****ton of consumables, or you will be a detriment to the group.

[Jacht]

Oh, and used Ironfoe to tank. I just couldn't justify replacing the massive amounts of SoR threat it provides. And I never got my spineshatter anyways....

[Theloras]

Oh, and used Ironfoe to tank. I just couldn't justify replacing the massive amounts of SoR threat it provides. And I never got my spineshatter anyways....

Ironfoe is also bezt 1Hand SoR DPS weapon as well

[smilkovpetko]

I love whenever a vanilla server comes out - we can revisit the "IT SUCKS NO REAL RAIDING GUILD WOULD BRING ONE" discussion.

Pally tanks are doable - I raided as one on ED with Honorable before the server pretty much died. You absolutely demolish any 5 man faster than an equally skilled warrior ever could, which is great for a variety of things in vanilla. Having on in ZG is gold. Say goodbye to having to use crowd control except for blooddrinkers. It speeds it up immenselely. Oh, and I make Jin'do trash cake.

As for 40 mans, it's a bit tougher. I can tank most anything in MC besides shazz. Rag is a bit tough to build decent threat on as well. Trash is all pretty simple. In BWL it is much tougher, as wing buffet and not having taunt will make those taunt toggle bosses a bit tough. Don't even think about chromag, impossible. In BWL you are basically relegated to tanking ALL the helps and goblin packs, and demolishing one side in the Nef fight as well as grabbing everything that pops in phase 3.

It is doable, and tons of fun, as you get that unique snowflake feeling while still contributing to the raid quite aa bit. But WARNING - you need every consumable to ever tank anything that hits remotely hard and for all bosses.

Think about it - You need to gear strictly for tankiness. No spell dmg except for one weapon if you consecration swap for more threat. If you dont, you will get crushed to death. But since magic dmg is your threat, you need every caster consumable and a million pots/runes. You ALSO need every tank consumable. Every tank has to bring them, if you want to be a tank, bring them, or you will get laughed at, and you should.

Oh, and if you hate healing like I do, you also need a Nightfall for bosses where you are not needed to tank. Judge wis/light, seal of righteousness, and go watch a movie.

So in conclusion, yes, it is playable and very useful when done right. But be prepared to farm a literal ****ton of consumables, or you will be a detriment to the group.

Don't even think about chromag, impossible.

Have your Raid guild setup "proper timing" waiting Chromagus to use his Abilities before he hit "Hard Enrage".
Use Stoneshield Potion , Have Paladin Lay of Hand on you by Holy Paladin ,Have Devotion Aura by Holy Paladin if it is improved,Have Hunter keep doing his "Tranq shot" job and have Healer spam overheals on you.
This will make Chromaggus hit's you so low during his "last 20%" and you can survive this damage so easy.
+ You can use "Wail of the Banshee" and this will make you easy Tank Chromaggus.
Solution for you on that boss.

Rag is a bit tough to build decent threat on as well.

You have to 1st Start this boss , you also need to poke Melee to chill 1 second after each Knockback.
That's why you need Spell Damage Weapon , Ench Spell Damage and Consumes Spell Damage.
Spell Damage is Key to your Judgement of Righteousness to become "strong threat or taunt".
Your Judgement will hit strong enough and your "Seal of Righteous" will swing "higher holy" , also it does Contribute some toward "Consecration" instead waiting for crusader to proc.

This will resolve your "Ragnaros Tanking issue" and you will be always on his threats.

Oh, and if you hate healing like I do, you also need a Nightfall for bosses where you are not needed to tank. Judge wis/light, seal of righteousness, and go watch a movie.

There is no need to waste pointless debuff slots unless Nightfall.
Nightfall carry as Pala Tank is wrong , Warrior Offftanks are more useless than Paladin Tank and they should use Nightfall instead Paladin Tank.

As Paladin Tank i rather be 2nd on Threats and if my MainTank die aggro goes to me , this make me Super Viable and Raid Saviour.


- Told you i have done all bosses that exist as Paladin MT and everything is possible -
Example of Another post i have already said similar thing :

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16370&start=20#p130132

[Ihealwpvp]

also worth mentioning that paladins need a warrior tank for progression until they can get the gear they need to drop. hard for a guild to start its raiding career with a pally MT.

after everything is on farm and pallies have access to aq gear, off set etc. they can do well in MC and onwards its viable and totally possible, and its hard to gear for all the stats they need but as others have said, its an uphill road; and not a smart choice when prot wars are available.

paladins also dont have the emergency cooldowns for when things go sour like wars do. . Not really a logical argument to say paladins dont need taunt etc because they never lose aggro in the first place. things go bad sometimes, even with a tight raid group.

simpler and eassier for a warrior to do it. not really fair to the rest of the guild/raid to force a pally MT when its subpar/situational. awesome for 5 mans and when raid content is all on farm though, speed runs and such.

there is a reason why prot pallies were very good in TBC.... they were subpar in vanilla
and there is a reason why prot wars are main tanks 99% of the time for most guilds....and pallies/druids arent

simply put, the game was designed by blizzard to have warriors be main tanks. anything else is sub-par/ not ideal/situational/for funsies

same deal with ret pve dps. possible yes, but not mathematically ideal for the raid. when other classes can do the job better

ps. you can also script some macro's to do some game breaking aoe tanking for a warrior

[smilkovpetko]

also worth mentioning that paladins need a warrior tank for progression until they can get the gear they need to drop. hard for a guild to start its raiding career with a pally MT.

after everything is on farm and pallies have access to aq gear, off set etc. they can do well in MC and onwards its viable and totally possible, and its hard to gear for all the stats they need but as others have said, its an uphill road; and not a smart choice when prot wars are available.

paladins also dont have the emergency cooldowns for when things go sour like wars do. . Not really a logical argument to say paladins dont need taunt etc because they never lose aggro in the first place. things go bad sometimes, even with a tight raid group.

simpler and eassier for a warrior to do it. not really fair to the rest of the guild/raid to force a pally MT when its subpar/situational. awesome for 5 mans and when raid content is all on farm though, speed runs and such.

there is a reason why prot pallies were very good in TBC.... they were subpar in vanilla
and there is a reason why prot wars are main tanks 99% of the time for most guilds....and pallies/druids arent

simply put, the game was designed by blizzard to have warriors be main tanks. anything else is sub-par/ not ideal/situational/for funsies

same deal with ret pve dps. possible yes, but not mathematically ideal for the raid. when other classes can do the job better

ps. you can also script some macro's to do some game breaking aoe tanking for a warrior

also worth mentioning that paladins need a warrior tank for progression until they can get the gear they need to drop. hard for a guild to start its raiding career with a pally MT.

We never need Warrior Tank for progression. For Taunts we can even use Druid Tanks.
The same gear "Pre raid" that warrior uses , the Paladin use it too .
We have everything that we need to get Def Cap and Raid Gear even outside from raids.

and its hard to gear for all the stats they need

We use any "Warrior Tank" offset gear and this items have same "droprate" as other gear that Warriors need from all the raids , the gear we need is quite Easy to achieve too since it does not make any conflict with Warrior Sets.

Meanwhile Warriors furry/prots are outnumbered in order to get their gear and this make Warriors gear harder to achieve than Paladin Tank.

paladins also dont have the emergency cooldowns for when things go sour like wars do.

We have Lay of Hands , We have Bubble . Something which is equal to Warriors emergencry cd's.


Not really a logical argument to say paladins dont need taunt etc because they never lose aggro in the first place.

If we use proper weapon and proper Tanking , we never loose aggro no matter how things can go bad.
In fact we are making runs much easier since all adds are on us and healers are focused to heal Tanks instead raid.
Even unskilled Warrior can loose aggro if you compare skill wise.

not really fair to the rest of the guild/raid to force a pally MT when its subpar/situational.

Not really fair to give people Missinformations based on assumption.
Pally MT is same as any other Tank and should be treated equal.
If you personally don't want to play with Paladin Tank then nobody is forcing you.

there is a reason why prot pallies were very good in TBC.... they were subpar in vanilla
and there is a reason why prot wars are main tanks 99% of the time for most guilds....and pallies/druids arent

The reason Blizzard do that was to show in simple way in TBC that Paladins Build Aggro with Spell Damage and that Paladins main surviving stat is Stamina . <- Something that people never realize in Vanilla.
That's why Blizzard added those Features, and it was meant to teach easier people like you that talk with assumptions instead facts.


simply put, the game was designed by blizzard to have warriors be main tanks.

Wrong ^.

From Vanilla up to the last Expansion there was always Druid,Paladin,Warrior Tanks no matter what role they play MT or OT.


same deal with ret pve dps. possible yes, but not mathematically ideal for the raid. when other classes can do the job better

You talk like this Privacy Servers are Retail which is still based on assumptions and bugged abilities , In fact Paladin Retribution in retail in Naxx was far more superior and awesome DPS because of Undeads.

ps. you can also script some macro's to do some game breaking aoe tanking for a warrior

Why would i cheat or have to search special stuffs in order to AOE as Warrior when single Paladin Can do 100 times better and easier without any cheats.

As i said please don't spread Lies because i have done Maintanking any boss that exist in Vanilla as Paladin Tank.

[Ihealwpvp]

You avoided the main point, deliberately.

There is a reason why 99% of guilds and raids use a warrior as a main tank. If all tanks were equal as you said, this wouldn't be the case.

same reason why in counter-strike 1.6 people only really use ak47 and M4, sure the other guns work. but there is clearly a superior choice; and its sub-par not ideal to do otherwise.

Same reason why people use a truck for towing vs a car. Sure its possible. but not ideal.

You are claiming paladins are superior: if that was the case we would at bare minimum see at least half the tanks being paladins, but thats not the case. 99% of tanks are a warrior, for a reason. 99% of guilds use warriors for progression. for a reason.

if there was a MC progression guild where the raid leader/guild leader insisted on a paladin MT over a warrior, im pretty sure that guild would be pretty empty. pretty fast.

divine shield is not a viable tanking emergency cooldown. LoH is, but its long cd, no mitigation and is no shieldwall. last stand is more or less functionally the same as a LoH but a much shorter CD. even a druids frenzied regen is a better emergency CD.

and also..
(archive.org)

https://web.archive.org/web/20061113145 ... EE11.app04

scroll down to the paladin section .....

Available to: Humans, Dwarves
Type: Hybrid, Secondary Healer
Standard Bars: Health/Mana
Available Armor: Cloth, Leather, Mail, Plate (level 40), Shields
Available Weapons: One and Two-handed Maces, One and Two-handed Swords, One and Two-handed Axes, Polearms
Comments: A more melee oriented hybrid

and the warrior section.......


Available to: All Races
Type: Primary Tank
Standard Bars: Health/Rage
Available Armor: Cloth, Leather, Mail, Plate (level 40), Shields
Available Weapons: All (excluding wands)
Comments: Excellent for those who like to take damage


so. by design paladins are considered secondary healers, and warriors primary tanks. thats from blizzards mouth, not mine.

yes, it is possible to pally tank. but again.... its subpar. not ideal/situational and an uphill road.

if paladins were superior tanks as you have claimed, then we would of see ALOT of paladin tanks. but since they arent supperior to warriors, we dont see them as often

i mean, i encourage you to play what you want. but the simple reality is if paladins were a supperior MT choice then we would see alot more paladin MTs.

im curious to what your logical/rationale response as to why 99% of the vanilla wow community uses a warrior as a main tank....if paladins are supperior as you are claiming. clearly the entire community is wrong and your right.....

[Theloras]

You avoided the main point, deliberately.

There is a reason why 99% of guilds and raids use a warrior as a main tank. If all tanks were equal as you said, this wouldn't be the case.

same reason why in counter-strike 1.6 people only really use ak47 and M4, sure the other guns work. but there is clearly a superior choice; and its sub-par not ideal to do otherwise.

Same reason why people use a truck for towing vs a car. Sure its possible. but not ideal.

You are claiming paladins are superior: if that was the case we would at bare minimum see at least half the tanks being paladins, but thats not the case. 99% of tanks are a warrior, for a reason. 99% of guilds use warriors for progression. for a reason.

if there was a MC progression guild where the raid leader/guild leader insisted on a paladin MT over a warrior, im pretty sure that guild would be pretty empty. pretty fast.

divine shield is not a viable tanking emergency cooldown. LoH is, but its long cd, no mitigation and is no shieldwall. last stand is more or less functionally the same as a LoH but a much shorter CD. even a druids frenzied regen is a better emergency CD.

and also..
(archive.org)

https://web.archive.org/web/20061113145 ... EE11.app04

scroll down to the paladin section .....

Available to: Humans, Dwarves
Type: Hybrid, Secondary Healer
Standard Bars: Health/Mana
Available Armor: Cloth, Leather, Mail, Plate (level 40), Shields
Available Weapons: One and Two-handed Maces, One and Two-handed Swords, One and Two-handed Axes, Polearms
Comments: A more melee oriented hybrid

and the warrior section.......


Available to: All Races
Type: Primary Tank
Standard Bars: Health/Rage
Available Armor: Cloth, Leather, Mail, Plate (level 40), Shields
Available Weapons: All (excluding wands)
Comments: Excellent for those who like to take damage


so. by design paladins are considered secondary healers, and warriors primary tanks. thats from blizzards mouth, not mine.

yes, it is possible to pally tank. but again.... its subpar. not ideal/situational and an uphill road.

if paladins were superior tanks as you have claimed, then we would of see ALOT of paladin tanks. but since they arent supperior to warriors, we dont see them as often

i mean, i encourage you to play what you want. but the simple reality is if paladins were a supperior MT choice then we would see alot more paladin MTs.

If that description stayed true to form for the duration of Vanilla, then Arms or Fury warriors wouldn't exist and Warlocks would do nothing but put up DoTs seeing as they are listed as "Debuffers" only

Paladins can Main Tank on a similar foothold to Warriors - the uphill battle as you put it is that our Tier gear was never itemized for it - therefore requiring Paladins to pickup off spec raid tanking gear. Otherwise, our tanking gear from 5/10 man dungeons is exactly the same.

Paladins can AoE tank better than any Warrior ever could and has much greater survivability than any caster who tries to do the same job - never mind being able to put out even more AoE dmg than any caster could as well.

[smilkovpetko]

You avoided the main point, deliberately.

There is a reason why 99% of guilds and raids use a warrior as a main tank. If all tanks were equal as you said, this wouldn't be the case.

same reason why in counter-strike 1.6 people only really use ak47 and M4, sure the other guns work. but there is clearly a superior choice; and its sub-par not ideal to do otherwise.

Same reason why people use a truck for towing vs a car. Sure its possible. but not ideal.

You are claiming paladins are superior: if that was the case we would at bare minimum see at least half the tanks being paladins, but thats not the case. 99% of tanks are a warrior, for a reason. 99% of guilds use warriors for progression. for a reason.

if there was a MC progression guild where the raid leader/guild leader insisted on a paladin MT over a warrior, im pretty sure that guild would be pretty empty. pretty fast.

divine shield is not a viable tanking emergency cooldown. LoH is, but its long cd, no mitigation and is no shieldwall. last stand is more or less functionally the same as a LoH but a much shorter CD. even a druids frenzied regen is a better emergency CD.

and also..
(archive.org)

https://web.archive.org/web/20061113145 ... EE11.app04

scroll down to the paladin section .....

Available to: Humans, Dwarves
Type: Hybrid, Secondary Healer
Standard Bars: Health/Mana
Available Armor: Cloth, Leather, Mail, Plate (level 40), Shields
Available Weapons: One and Two-handed Maces, One and Two-handed Swords, One and Two-handed Axes, Polearms
Comments: A more melee oriented hybrid

and the warrior section.......


Available to: All Races
Type: Primary Tank
Standard Bars: Health/Rage
Available Armor: Cloth, Leather, Mail, Plate (level 40), Shields
Available Weapons: All (excluding wands)
Comments: Excellent for those who like to take damage


so. by design paladins are considered secondary healers, and warriors primary tanks. thats from blizzards mouth, not mine.

yes, it is possible to pally tank. but again.... its subpar. not ideal/situational and an uphill road.

if paladins were superior tanks as you have claimed, then we would of see ALOT of paladin tanks. but since they arent supperior to warriors, we dont see them as often

i mean, i encourage you to play what you want. but the simple reality is if paladins were a supperior MT choice then we would see alot more paladin MTs.

im curious to what your logical/rationale response as to why 99% of the vanilla wow community uses a warrior as a main tank....if paladins are supperior as you are claiming. clearly the entire community is wrong and your right.....

Talking what websites says , talking what somebody's Math told you to , talking with assumptions lead toward "paladins can't Tank" conclusion .
Honestly that is ridiculous as i personally Main Tanked every single Boss in Vanilla that exist : Even hardest bosses for any Tank such as Patchwerk,Maexxna,Twins,KT.

If you can't understand my point and stick to follow some fail website then this is your own problem.

Counter Strike = No matter what weapon you choose , 1 hit on Head = Headshot . That can be done even with Pistol.

Don't compare frogs and cabbages please.

The website you posted is telling that No warrior should or are dps , since it says that warriors are only Tanks and Arms/Fury shouldn't exist... Rly!?.. good websites reading bro. wish you best luck with their math.