How will Ret Pallies justify their raid spot?

[GTrax]

That is a pvp reckoning spec however and actually would hurt the raid more then benefiting it as you would be gimping your dps to a large extent.

the only thing you are picking up from deep prot beneficial to the raid is kings and guardian favour the and in reality most holy paladins include kings within their spec making that point spent arbitrary, while you can still pick up guardian favor through an actual retribution spec.

Also given a ret paladins staple for damage is to keep vengeance rolling you end up nerfing your overall dps through that spec.

If you are going to raid ret you should be aiming to do as high damage as possible while maintaining nightfall and minimising your consumed debuff slots on the intended target.

liez, it's our job and the other 5 Ret Paladins to have all 6 ranks of Judgement of the Crusader up!!!

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25589

And get perma banned for abuse?

[Holystrike]

in this thread they have direct proof judgement of crusader should be stackable, expect a fix soon.

[Theloras]

That is a pvp reckoning spec however and actually would hurt the raid more then benefiting it as you would be gimping your dps to a large extent.

the only thing you are picking up from deep prot beneficial to the raid is kings and guardian favour the and in reality most holy paladins include kings within their spec making that point spent arbitrary, while you can still pick up guardian favor through an actual retribution spec.

Also given a ret paladins staple for damage is to keep vengeance rolling you end up nerfing your overall dps through that spec.

If you are going to raid ret you should be aiming to do as high damage as possible while maintaining nightfall and minimising your consumed debuff slots on the intended target.

liez, it's our job and the other 5 Ret Paladins to have all 6 ranks of Judgement of the Crusader up!!!

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25589

And get perma banned for abuse?

I originally thought it was abuse too but as it turns out, it was actually possible:

https://report.nostalrius.org/plugins/tracker/?aid=2597

- Judgement of the Crusader: It is no longer possible to have icons for two different ranks of Judgment of the Crusader appear at the same time when judged by multiple Paladins.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.4.0

Thanks to Killerduki for finding this information for me - so this new Patch info along with the previous post from Vanilla detailing multiple ranks of Judgement of Wisdom should show without a doubt that this was in fact Blizzlike:

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#5Oct 09 2005 at 2:50 AMRating: Decent
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Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot.

There's also a weird effect where Seal of Fury pushes the proc rate of Judgement of Wisdom way up. It seems like you get two or three times as many procs from JoW if you have SoF running, and sometimes you'll see two or three procs for a single swing. This does not work for Judgement of Light however.

Also, I think weapon procs can trigger a JoW proc, so if you have a weapon with a proc, you could proc JoW on the regular swing and on the weapon proc.

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fo ... 7594799940

[bdan]

"- Judgement of the Crusader: It is no longer possible to have icons for two different ranks of Judgment of the Crusader appear at the same time when judged by multiple Paladins."

Im not saying youre wrong, but it could just be a visual error they were fixing where 2 icons were showing even though they were only benefitting from the strongest one. Just seems like its worded weird by them saying icons.

[Theloras]

"- Judgement of the Crusader: It is no longer possible to have icons for two different ranks of Judgment of the Crusader appear at the same time when judged by multiple Paladins."

Im not saying youre wrong, but it could just be a visual error they were fixing where 2 icons were showing even though they were only benefitting from the strongest one. Just seems like its worded weird by them saying icons.

I remember that it was either in Vanilla or TBC that several ranks of Blessing of Light were possible to be put on players and in this case it was merely an icon only effect - each BoL did not boost the others for additional +healing from Holy Light and Flash of Light to the recipient.

With that being said, I would agree with you if there wasn't the post from 2005 right smack dab in the middle of Vanilla specifically saying that that player's raid had multiple ranks of Judgement of Light up on Ragnaros to help heal their melee.

[smilkovpetko]

"- Judgement of the Crusader: It is no longer possible to have icons for two different ranks of Judgment of the Crusader appear at the same time when judged by multiple Paladins."

Im not saying youre wrong, but it could just be a visual error they were fixing where 2 icons were showing even though they were only benefitting from the strongest one. Just seems like its worded weird by them saying icons.

If there was bug they would "bug fixes" this instead ability changing.

Example :

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.4.0

At same patch have

Bug Fixes

Saber/Tiger Mounts will now make footprints when walking backwards in snow.


and so on . why they didn't set to Bug Fixes if this was a bug? This clearly prove that this was never bug.

[Ihealwpvp]

mathematically ret paladins do 1/3rd the dps of rogues, or about 25-30%ish less than arms warrior in identical gear. so not much of a reason to invite them or gear them up from a guild leaders / raid leaders perspective. its a derpy high-burst / low dps spec.

not really a good idea to play the most defensive support class in the game as a watered-down warrior with just auto attacks. It is the second lowest dps class in the game, only because shadow priests go oom.

To answer OP, your best chance is to find a casual/non-serious guild that will take you.

Most guild leaders who care about their raid/guild will at most take 1 ret. If you find a decent guild/raidspot dont mess it up! ret pve dps is an uphill road / not min-max dps

ya gotta give up something to be the most defensive class in the game, and that is dps. It gets better in TBC, but in vanilla its a derp spec.

[smilkovpetko]

mathematically ret paladins do 1/3rd the dps of rogues, or about 25-30%ish less than arms warrior in identical gear. so not much of a reason to invite them or gear them up from a guild leaders / raid leaders perspective. its a derpy high-burst / low dps spec.

not really a good idea to play the most defensive support class in the game as a watered-down warrior with just auto attacks. It is the second lowest dps class in the game, only because shadow priests go oom.

To answer OP, your best chance is to find a casual/non-serious guild that will take you.

Most guild leaders who care about their raid/guild will at most take 1 ret. If you find a decent guild/raidspot dont mess it up! ret pve dps is an uphill road / not min-max dps

ya gotta give up something to be the most defensive class in the game, and that is dps. It gets better in TBC, but in vanilla its a derp spec.

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer ... Holystrike

Rank 11 Retribution Paladin PVP . Enjoy in your delusional view .
Also he is raiding Retribution

[Ihealwpvp]

yes i know who holystrike is he is a good pvper

yes. he does less dps than an arms war in identical gear
yes, he does less dps than a pve dps rogue
yes, he is limiting his potential by pvping as ret.
yes, his guild is hindering their dps output by gearing him/bringing him


yes.

[JCarrill0]

mathematically ret paladins do 1/3rd the dps of rogues, or about 25-30%ish less than arms warrior in identical gear. so not much of a reason to invite them or gear them up from a guild leaders / raid leaders perspective. its a derpy high-burst / low dps spec.

not really a good idea to play the most defensive support class in the game as a watered-down warrior with just auto attacks. It is the second lowest dps class in the game, only because shadow priests go oom.

To answer OP, your best chance is to find a casual/non-serious guild that will take you.

Most guild leaders who care about their raid/guild will at most take 1 ret. If you find a decent guild/raidspot dont mess it up! ret pve dps is an uphill road / not min-max dps

ya gotta give up something to be the most defensive class in the game, and that is dps. It gets better in TBC, but in vanilla its a derp spec.

I don't understand how its a derp spec, but everyone is entitled to their opinions.
honestly if you like playing a certain way, that is your choice and you should enjoy it, with the raiding styles limited, only limited specs will be allowed to raid, but they do open up, and yes casual raiding is probably the best solution.

yes i know who holystrike is he is a good pvper

yes. he does less dps than an arms war in identical gear
yes, he does less dps than a pve dps rogue
yes, he is limiting his potential by pvping as ret.
yes, his guild is hindering their dps output by gearing him/bringing him


yes.

Aren't they succeeding anyway? Seems more of people boasting cuz he is making breakthrough and on the other spectrum we have people who are either jealous or envious. Can't we all get along instead of having these silly Civil wars of Paladin vs Paladin? (I hate when they duel. Takes forever!)