How do i do tankadin?

[Ihealwpvp]

they arent on the same level as warrirors, they arent equal at all. if they were we would see a rough 50/50 distribution. but we dont. we see one class 99% of the time. there is a reason for this. your oppinion does not match the empherical evidence of basically the entire wow vanilla community choosing wars as main tank.

yes paladins are good aoe tankers. no one can dispute that, thats their niche. but you dont really need to be prot spec to tank fire imps or the odd aoe grp.

and you cant really say paladins do more aoe damage than mages......

play what you want, but dont spread lies and say paladins are equal or even supperior to warriors as a main tank. its not the case. dont take my word for it, just look at the entire vanilla wow community..... one class is chosen 99% of the time.....

there is a reason why you NEVER see a warrior forum post titled "Can warriors main tank?" and you see forum posts like this

i quoted that old blizzard archive because someone said paladins were designed to be main tanks. when clearly they werent. hence the lack of items, and the well... class descrption from the last few patches of vanilla.

you missed the point, i said warriors were designed to be the main tank. you said thats not the case. so i linked a blizzard webpage. warriors are designed to be the main tank by blizzard, you and i cant change the intended role that the game designed wanted.

again, its possible, but its sub-par. not optimal/uphill road.

you can have your oppinion, but paladins are not equal to warrirors as main tank. thats just a fallacy. if they were equal, we would see alot more of the spec. but we dont...because they are subpar. its just the way it is. there is a reason why in tbc prot paladins were strong.

im also really curious if you progressed through MC as a prot pally, or just cleared it afterwords once you got all the aq and naxx off set pieces.....

you missed the point of the CS 1.6 reference. i was saying the ak47/M4 are picked far more often for reason, they are supperior. same reason why people choose a truck for towing a car, or why people play video games on a gaming computer vs an office terminal. or why people want to live in germany rather than syria. or why people level a rogue combat. i could go on and on.....

people choose warriors as a main tank over a paladin because they are the better class for the role. no ammount of hopeful thinking will change the fact that raid leaders want paladins.

[smilkovpetko]

they arent on the same level as warrirors, they arent equal at all. if they were we would see a rough 50/50 distribution. but we dont. we see one class 99% of the time. there is a reason for this. your oppinion does not match the empherical evidence of basically the entire wow vanilla community choosing wars as main tank.

yes paladins are good aoe tankers. no one can dispute that, thats their niche. but you dont really need to be prot spec to tank fire imps or the odd aoe grp.

and you cant really say paladins do more aoe damage than mages......

play what you want, but dont spread lies and say paladins are equal or even supperior to warriors as a main tank. its not the case. dont take my word for it, just look at the entire vanilla wow community..... one class is chosen 99% of the time.....

there is a reason why you NEVER see a warrior forum post titled "Can warriors main tank?" and you see forum posts like this

i quoted that old blizzard archive because someone said paladins were designed to be main tanks. when clearly they werent. hence the lack of items, and the well... class descrption from the last few patches of vanilla.

you missed the point, i said warriors were designed to be the main tank. you said thats not the case. so i linked a blizzard webpage. warriors are designed to be the main tank by blizzard, you and i cant change the intended role that the game designed wanted.

again, its possible, but its sub-par. not optimal/uphill road.

you can have your oppinion, but paladins are not equal to warrirors as main tank. thats just a fallacy. if they were equal, we would see alot more of the spec. but we dont...because they are subpar. its just the way it is. there is a reason why in tbc prot paladins were strong.

they arent on the same level as warrirors, they arent equal at all. if they were we would see a rough 50/50 distribution. but we dont. we see one class 99% of the time. there is a reason for this. your oppinion does not match the empherical evidence of basically the entire wow vanilla community choosing wars as main tank.

Nobody said that they are on same level and nobody did compare Warrior vs Paladin...

As the topic says : How do i do tankadin?

I already said we can do Main Tank without any problem and there is no question about it.
We can do equally easy as Warriors do .

My opinions are based to what i have done already , and i have evidences for that .

play what you want, but dont spread lies and say paladins are equal or even supperior to warriors as a main tank. its not the case. dont take my word for it, just look at the entire vanilla wow community..... one class is chosen 99% of the time.....

I have no idea what literally you trying to achieve with this .

We can do the same job as Warriors do . Why would i lie something that i have done already ?.

If everyone go to the river and drown inside , because 99% have jump to the water and died . Will you do the same?

[Ihealwpvp]

" nyway people deny to experiment same way as it's been done in retail vanilla.
I play 10 years Paladin Tank and i telling you that we have every item and required abilities to tank any boss that exist in game even far better than warriors." by smilkovpetko » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:08 pm

i telling you that we have every item and required abilities to tank any boss that exist in game even far better than warriors

even far better than warriors
even far better than warriors
better than warriors

they are subpar. and not ideal for tanking, they arent intended to be the main tanking class.

"play what you want, but dont spread lies and say paladins are equal or even supperior to warriors as a main tank. its not the case. dont take my word for it, just look at the entire vanilla wow community..... one class is chosen 99% of the time....."

to clarify...if paladins are equal to warriors, or superior we would see ALOT more of them, but we dont. for a reason. they are inferior to a warrior in a main tank role.


"If everyone go to the river and drown inside , because 99% have jump to the water and died . Will you do the same?" is a strawman, and not a logical rebuttle to my analogies of choosing something better suited for the task vs something that works but not as well.

a better one would of been "if 99% of people choose to fish in the river, you should fish in a river instead of a puddle because 1 is clearly the superior choice"

or..

"if 99% of peopel wanted to commit suicide by drowning via river vs drowning in puddle" one is clearly the better way to drown,

dont spread lies and say paladins are equal to warriors as a main tank. they arent

also... please answer honestly... did you MT molten core progression as a pally MT? or did you only do MC as a pally MT after you had aq40 gear?

[smilkovpetko]

I don't like to Brag but with this argument you have forced me to :

im also really curious if you progressed through MC as a prot pally, or just cleared it afterwords once you got all the aq and naxx off set pieces.....

I progressed everything without any boost and cleared stuffs when there was no high level contents even released. I did so easy and perfect as i still do .

Now you question if i Progressed Molten Core? LOL. I progressed and Cleared Naxx 15/15 when it released.
And yes i Cleared Molten Core,BWL as Paladin Maintank without any single Aq40/Naxx item on me and even before that contents was released.

In such times where you could barely find only 5% of all World of Warcraft guilds that did the same job as i did as MT Paladin.

Anyway people was based to the "top 3 world kill guilds" and guilds that could stream only by ignoring the rest that did the same job on other servers.

I can tell you every single boss that exist how to do as Paladin MT.
And we have all the gear we need before we even step to next level raid for proper Tanking.


If you ever played Vanilla WoW you would be ashamed to compare Warrior vs Paladin because the main thing that Warriors was crying in Blizzard Forums was "Why Paladin have Reckoning and please give that to us".

[Theloras]

and you cant really say paladins do more aoe damage than mages......

^^^This one item allows a Paladin to do more DPS than any caster when AoE tanking^^^

To help illuminate and educate you, let me go screenshot by screenshot:

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/222/zkw7.jpg
- this fight shows the BWL Suppression Room and Broodlord fight
- Meista (geared/skilled Warlock) - Pascas (geared/skilled Warlock) - Coldstone (geared/skilled Mage) - Kriv (geared/skilled Warlock)
- these are the casters who TRIED to keep up with my AoE dmg but couldn't
- because I was AoE tanking the entire encounter with Consecration, Force Reactive Disk and Reflective damage
- I don't need a single target taunt or AoE taunt when I'm putting out over 4K DPS
- I still ended up with just under 1300 DPS over the entire encounter even though I ended up HEALING the tanks during the actual Broodlord fight

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img537/5531/dgSRfX.jpg
- again right in the thick of things and showing 4K DPS while AoE tanking spider packs in Naxx
- Mediv (geared/skilled Mage), Rollinpapers (geared/skilled Mage), Coldstone (geared/skilled Mage), Pascas (geared/skilled Warlock
- the healers focused their heals on me

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img913/5044/QIF0pz.jpg
- DOUBLE PALADIN POWAH
- Cysthen (geared/skilled PROT Paladin with me as RETRIBUTION in his group to feed him Sanctity Aura
- the two of us combined to do 55% of the total raid dmg in these AoE fights in AQ40

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img540/3186/j0iMGu.jpg
- again double Paladin AoE with Cysthen and I in BWL gauntlet

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img540/4845/gJwH44.jpg
- aber AoE dmg/tanking with Cysthen and I in MC on Garr
- he tanked all of the adds while I AoE'd them down

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/7250/6gc6.jpg
- last but not least here is me wiping an entire Horde raid at Light's Hope Chapel with over +700 spell dmg and only Consecration ticking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIixkkOmms
- this video shows the AoE and Reflective dmg potential we can put out
- this was done without Consecration to show exactly that
- plus I was PvP Reck spec when I made this video and didn't want to respec

As far as how things are here on Nostalrius, I AoE tank all 5/10 man dungeons fine and even end up top DPS while doing so even though I don't have Force Reactive Disk here yet.

Consecration + Retribution Aura + Grenades/Holy Water = lots of dead mobs

[Jacht]

Why is everyone arguing? Lol....

But I suppose I should weigh in. Like I said, I have raided through BWL and tanked most everything on my prot . I dont see the point in trying to force it though. There are many things that a pally can tank better than a warrior; I say stick to those unless your raid is short on tanks. The idea is to play the spec to its strengths, not try and be the cool kid and waste time.

To the guy who responded to me, yes you CAN tank Chromag, but his spell defense means you will essentially be doing auto attack threat, which is terrible. The fight would take years because your dps would have to twiddle their thumbs. Hell, healers would probably pull him off you eventually. And thats what I am talking about- don't try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Play the spec to its strengths and don't waste people's time.

[smilkovpetko]

" nyway people deny to experiment same way as it's been done in retail vanilla.
I play 10 years Paladin Tank and i telling you that we have every item and required abilities to tank any boss that exist in game even far better than warriors." by smilkovpetko » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:08 pm

i telling you that we have every item and required abilities to tank any boss that exist in game even far better than warriors

even far better than warriors
even far better than warriors
better than warriors

they are subpar. and not ideal for tanking, they arent intended to be the main tanking class.

"play what you want, but dont spread lies and say paladins are equal or even supperior to warriors as a main tank. its not the case. dont take my word for it, just look at the entire vanilla wow community..... one class is chosen 99% of the time....."

to clarify...if paladins are equal to warriors, or superior we would see ALOT more of them, but we dont. for a reason. they are inferior to a warrior in a main tank role.


"If everyone go to the river and drown inside , because 99% have jump to the water and died . Will you do the same?" is a strawman, and not a logical rebuttle to my analogies of choosing something better suited for the task vs something that works but not as well.

a better one would of been "if 99% of people choose to fish in the river, you should fish in a river instead of a puddle because 1 is clearly the superior choice"

or..

"if 99% of peopel wanted to commit suicide by drowning via river vs drowning in puddle" one is clearly the better way to drown,

dont spread lies and say paladins are equal to warriors as a main tank. they arent

also... please answer honestly... did you MT molten core progression as a pally MT? or did you only do MC as a pally MT after you had aq40 gear?

Since you begin to trash talking :

There are 4 Items i can buy instantly from Auction House that are very BiS up to AQ40 , the rest i get from (1 chain quest in wpl) and rest items i can get from other dungeons .

What i get as Upgrade from Molten Core is just Finger and Spell Damage Weapon for extreme Threats .
What i get as Upgrade from Onyxia is Trinket.
What i get as Upgrade from BWL is Shield,Trinket and Spell Damage Weapon.

Whole our gear we are able to acquire from outside Raids and get the Standard to survive easy Aq40.

Every Single Boss is Created for Paladin to be able to do the job Maintank.

While you talk about Blizzard. Then Tell me why they made "Melee Twins" immune to all schools except Holy?! ... for Shockadins and Smite priests?! .. No they made this for Paladin Maintank.

I have already said that i have Evidences and i am prepared to give them too if you insist.

I can post you all "Wiki" links with tactics and explanations , i can post all the screenshots of me Maintanking "impossible" bosses for Tanks , i can post videos with example how is working that too and why we are much better than warriors Tanks in many cases.

[smilkovpetko]

Why is everyone arguing? Lol....

But I suppose I should weigh in. Like I said, I have raided through BWL and tanked most everything on my prot . I dont see the point in trying to force it though. There are many things that a pally can tank better than a warrior; I say stick to those unless your raid is short on tanks. The idea is to play the spec to its strengths, not try and be the cool kid and waste time.

To the guy who responded to me, yes you CAN tank Chromag, but his spell defense means you will essentially be doing auto attack threat, which is terrible. The fight would take years because your dps would have to twiddle their thumbs. Hell, healers would probably pull him off you eventually. And thats what I am talking about- don't try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Play the spec to its strengths and don't waste people's time.

Well i never meant to play cool kid toward someone , but i was forced to brag and start explaining to him what i have already done and that we Paladins Tanks can do the very same job as Warriors Tanks do.

Anyway Back to Chromag :

The boss is not staying to one School which mean that he is constantly changing toward all the schools.

Next thing is that even with "high resistance" using strong Spell Damage weapon and Spell damage ench/consumes you still hit for more than enough in order to handle overpowered Damage dealers and keep easy aggro from melee .

+ Return Damage is not Affected by "Holy" Reduction,
+ Blocking Attacks by Holy Shield does not affect the "Holy" Reduction and it is independent Aggro.
+ Judgement of Crusade is not affected by "Holy Reduction" and it still gives the full Holy Damage each swing/spell/aoe.

I tell this from my experience that i have done this already , during the fight you would have at least 3 times "Holy School" which grants you enormous Threats.
Once you get the 1st Holy vulnerable and build up Maximum TPS with your "required spell damage" when this is over , feel free to let Paladin Auto Attack , go to the kitchen make your coffee , drink it and come back to loot the boss.

[Ihealwpvp]

i dont want to piss/trash talk, so please honestly answer this....

please clarify your statement

"i telling you that we have every item and required abilities to tank any boss that exist in game even far better than warriors"

specifically this part "even far better than warriors"

i would like to here your logical answer as to why prot paladins are "far better than warriors" (as you said) when basically every guild leader/raid leader chooses a warrior as a main tank instead of a paladin.

and kudos to your guild for progressing MC from brd blues to Rag epics with a pally MT? you sure that was a guild? and not just a feenix GDKP?

also, yes you can do twin emps in aq40 w/o a paladin....how else would horde do it? you just use a lock tank. one of the reasons bliizard made shamans and pallies both factions in tbc was so they didnt have to design fights thats needed either or

[smilkovpetko]

i dont want to piss/trash talk, so please honestly answer this....

please clarify your statement

"i telling you that we have every item and required abilities to tank any boss that exist in game even far better than warriors"

specifically this part "even far better than warriors"

i would like to here your logical answer as to why prot paladins are "far better than warriors" (as you said) when basically every guild leader/raid leader chooses a warrior as a main tank instead of a paladin.

and kudos to your guild for progressing MC from brd blues to Rag epics with a pally MT? you sure that was a guild? and not just a feenix GDKP?

"i telling you that we have every item and required abilities to tank any boss that exist in game

We have every single item that we need to reach Def Cap and to survive bosses , you have atlas loot and you have forum topics about that i don't have to explain such statement.

"far better than warriors"

Garr = Single Paladin Maintank can do the job of 4 Warrior Tanks and 4 Warlocks combined.
Shahraz = Single Paladin Maintank can do the job of 3 Warrior Tanks.
Ouro = Single Paladin Can AOE all Trash and Tank the Boss at same time.
The Prophet Skeram = Paladin can Solo Tank Boss together with his Clones.
Broodlord = Where this is Warriors Main Aggro Issue , Paladin is doing 3 times more Aggro and Damage Dealers don't have to wait at all.
Neffarian = Paladin's don't need Berserker Stance and Holy Damage can still increase Aggro when Boss use Paladin Class Call.
Thaddius = Paladin increases it's Melee and Spell at a same time with the debuffs, this affect extremely his Threats compare to Poor Warriors so Damage Dealers can go crazy nuking.
C'thun = Paladin Can Tank the Claws at p3 and Heal at same time.
Kel'Thuzad = Exorcism is the best "Taunt" anytime when boss does his Mindcontrol and wipe out everyone's aggro, Meanwhile Warriors have enormous issue because Boss is immune to Taunt.
Onyxia = Aoe babys + immune to Taunt <3.


Also = Threat is part of Surviving and Progressing. Paladin Tank can do far more Threats than warrior and this allows Damage Dealers to full DPS in order to kill the Boss Faster.
The faster target die = the lesser mana wasted by Healers.
The more Tank does Aggro the faster Damage Dealers kill the Boss .


and kudos to your guild for progressing MC from brd blues to Rag epics with a pally MT? you sure that was a guild? and not just a feenix GDKP?

Yes it was Guild Progressing Molten Core with Blue items , i don't have to explain you 100 times that i already did.
When i was Tanking Vanilla Retail this GDKP craps didn't exist.

When i was Tanking in Peenix back in 2013/14 this GDKP was not present like it is now .
It was rarely done and the Guild where i was had to do same Boss in MC/BWL at least 10 times in order to get the gear and progress further.

p.s i don't even have to explain you that i have already "Solo Tanked" Zul Gurub in Peenix on Blue gear together with "Fury Warrior" on Taunting to soak things only.

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidO ... ?Raid=3436

Period that i was chasing ZG shield as an upgrade to my "Skullfame shield" and got ninjaed by Warlock by mistake of the Loot System in Peenix.
Meanwhile you can see my Damage done there as Maintank not to mention the Threats of it and the Weapon used (Sageblade).


Do i have to Explain more you are done with this now?

I would like this topic to remain how it is supposed to be : "How do i do Tankadin" , sadly people never respect to follow Topics and they flash jumping telling us "Paladins Cant Tank" without any sense or evidence.
I came here to this topic in order to Advice Players how to Tank as Paladin, not to argue what we can or cannot do. Because we can Tank everything regardless of min/max we can still do the job perfect.