How do i do tankadin?

[Theloras]

there will be min-maxers in any gaming community. what server i choose to play on is neither here nor there. and i guess you basically just agreed with me in your own way. Paladins are sub-par/uphill road for tanking/not ideal.

world first pve guilds dont care about LOLRET/LOLPROT. even serious guild leaders/raid leaders dont factor that in. its much simpler than that. they just pick whats best.

so far, the entire conversation has boiled down to "guild leaders/raid leaders/everyone else is stupid/dumb/wrong for thinking paladins are sub par tanks" at the essence and core of every prot paladin rebuttal in this thread, thats what it comes down to. everyone else is wrong, paladins are the best. and the 1,000,0000-2,000,000 vanilla raiders are all wrong, and im right.

thats basically toddler logic

people are not closed minded when they look at all the tanking classes, all their abilities, all the gear options and choose the one that is superior choice. thats kind of the opposite of close minded.

what is close minded is when someone arrogantly and ignorantly with pride refusses to accept the fact that they are simply wrong. especially when faced with math, logic, and well... an entire demographic of raiders.../guild leaders.

prot paladins are the inferior main tank spec when compared to prot warriors. its just the way it is.

ps. you said

" Viorus wrote:
Well said by most people in this thread. DPS = rogue, hunter, lock, mage. Paladin is support"

"Which I fully advocate - Paladins should support their team ......."

Supporting your team =/= that Paladins are nothing but a support class.

Using something I said/typed out of context like that is being intellectually dishonest.

By your own admission, you have NEVER played either Reck or Ret or even tried tanking as Prot.

I don't need try hard opinions from min/max elitists who don't have the experience that I have playing this class to tell me how/why I should play the game their way.

[Ihealwpvp]

I dont have experience flying a fighter jet, but i could tell a pilot he should make sure his pre flight check is done and that he makes sure his oxygen is hooked up correctly. Just because he has years flying a plane and i don't doesnt make the statement invalid or worthy of dismissal. its not an opinion of mine its just something every pilot should do. the pilot would say, "you're right, i do that every flight before take off" he wouldnt say "I have been flying for 10 years and i know what im doing, you're wrong and every other pilot and academy instructor is wrong, and the people who made the plane are wrong, im gonna take off with no pre-flight check and no oxygen because i have been doing this forever"

Just because i dont have the time you do as a paladin does not instantly invalidate math, logic or the rest of the vanilla communities experience.

you told me paladins arent a support class, so i quoted you from another thread telling another community member that you encoruage paladins to support their team. i pointed out that you are more intent on having a pissing contest than actually being rationale. Paladins are a support class, ask in /world. ask other paladins. look at the original documentation, count the number of buffs paladins and shamans have vs other classes.

nothing you and i can say to each other in this thread, or even nothing we can do on the server will ever change the fact that paladins are sub par tanks, sub par melee dps, and phenomenal healers. you seem to have this false notion that you can change the games programming and math through ignorance and will power. that cannot happen.

just because you dont like the truth, doesnt mean its not true. i learned that when i was a boy.

and again every prot paladin in this thread at the core of their arguement, is basically "im right and the other 2 milllion people who raid vanilla wow are wrong. paladins are superior to warriors as main tanks"

they arent'. its just the way it is. you are wrong. they are viable yes, but its not optimal and not ideal for a serious raid core/guild.

go make a guild. recruit 100 people. get your 40 man core. be a guild leader, and force a paladin MT and see how that works out vs a warrior main tank.

[Jacht]

You guys need to chill, lol.

Prot allies are like shadow priests/boomkins. One per raid is a great help, provided they know their spec well and spam consumables. One prot can speed up raids/20 mans immensely. They aren't the mt's warriors are, but that's not their role. Log a toon on Emerald Dream and ask anyone in Honorable how helpful Czernobog (me) was. If you do it right, they are exceptional.

NOW EVERYONE STOP YELLING!!!

[smilkovpetko]

Theoloras there is no point to explain something to someone that "everything you say will be used against you" and someone who cant understand following :

I have Maintanked 15/15 Naxx during Vanilla as Protection Paladin during times where 5% of world guilds could do Naxx and everyone was based toward top 3 Guilds.

Does his Math explain why i have Tanked this Boss and how is that possible?
If Protection Paladins can't Tank then why did i Tanked:

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hp ... 8017_o.jpg

And if he can't understand which fights we are superior

Garr = Single Paladin Maintank can do the job of 4 Warrior Tanks and 4 Warlocks combined.
Shahraz = Single Paladin Maintank can do the job of 3 Warrior Tanks.
Ouro = Single Paladin Can AOE all Trash and Tank the Boss at same time.
The Prophet Skeram = Paladin can Solo Tank Boss together with his Clones.
Broodlord = Where this is Warriors Main Aggro Issue , Paladin is doing 3 times more Aggro and Damage Dealers don't have to wait at all.
Neffarian = Paladin's don't need Berserker Stance and Holy Damage can still increase Aggro when Boss use Paladin Class Call.
Thaddius = Paladin increases it's Melee and Spell at a same time with the debuffs, this affect extremely his Threats compare to Poor Warriors so Damage Dealers can go crazy nuking.
C'thun = Paladin Can Tank the Claws at p3 and Heal at same time.
Kel'Thuzad = Exorcism is the best "Taunt" anytime when boss does his Mindcontrol and wipe out everyone's aggro, Meanwhile Warriors have enormous issue because Boss is immune to Taunt.
Onyxia = Aoe babys + immune to Taunt <3.

Then this is his own mathematical and logical problem limited based of somebody's website.

I am done with him and i suggest you to just ignore him , i already have set him on "foe" so i don't disturb with him as he reminds me of some familiar person in Peenix.

Beside from when he joined his first step was to trolling us Protection Paladins/Retribution Paladins how fake our specs are and that we should never play it , if you see his history messages you would realize that he is some Peenix soldier. - sadly their server is destroyed by their math solutions so they want to spill it here -

[Ihealwpvp]

i honestly dont have any loyalty to the previous server....you have inserted that. its not relevant. Im not even sure why you have inserted this into the conversation. you straight up are associating me with something i have not voiced an oppinion on. that is not relevant to the discussion. please dont mention other projects on this forum. thats against the rules. they have a word for that: conjecture

you can tank all the content as a prot paladin. all i have said is that it is an inferior. sub-par/non ideal choice for the raid / guild. and that blizzard designed the content for a warrior MT. because horde dont have paladins.

again, please answer this question. because you are avoiding it.

Why does the vast majority of guild leaders choose warriors as a MT?

its simple really. because they are the superior class for main tanking. Im sorry but you are not right, to say that paladins are superior. the other 99% of the vanilla community is not "retards or morons" for picking the best (and intended) main tank class to be their main tank.

its real simple, you just can bear to admit it.

warriors are a stronger MT than paladins, thats why everyone does it. if your claims were true, we would see much more prot paladin mts, but we dont. thus you are wrong. and the guild leaders and raid leaders who choose warrior for main tank are not retards or morons for picking the best class for the job.

its the way the game is designed, warriors are the main tanks. people pick warriors for main tanks for a reason, because they are the best class for the job. Please keep repeating how prot paladins supperior to warriors for main tanks..... you really dont understand the game.... you are blinded by your own bias, even when confronted with overwhelming evidence. they have a word for that, delusional.

[Theloras]

Why does the vast majority of guild leaders choose warriors as a MT?

I've answered it multiple times you moron - guild leaders do it because it's the easiest thing for them to do and min/max try hards like you want things to be easy. There is no challenge to it seeing as both Tier 1 and Tier 2 gear for warriors is loaded with Defence stats up the ying yang.

Either go play on Peenix or go play retail if you want things wrapped up all nice and tidy.

[smilkovpetko]

Why does the vast majority of guild leaders choose warriors as a MT?

I've answered it multiple times you moron - guild leaders do it because it's the easiest thing for them to do and min/max try hards like you want things to be easy. There is no challenge to it seeing as both Tier 1 and Tier 2 gear for warriors is loaded with Defence stats up the ying yang.

Either go play on Peenix or go play retail if you want things wrapped up all nice and tidy.

he have convicted us already go heal now and shut up xD

i am glad i have set him on ignore list since he already ignored all my posts where i am clear that i have already maintanked everything in vanilla .

[Theloras]

Why does the vast majority of guild leaders choose warriors as a MT?

I've answered it multiple times you moron - guild leaders do it because it's the easiest thing for them to do and min/max try hards like you want things to be easy. There is no challenge to it seeing as both Tier 1 and Tier 2 gear for warriors is loaded with Defence stats up the ying yang.

Either go play on Peenix or go play retail if you want things wrapped up all nice and tidy.

he have convicted us already go heal now and shut up xD

i am glad i have set him on ignore list since he already ignored all my posts where i am clear that i have already maintanked everything in vanilla .

I don't put people on ignore.

I enjoy telling people to their face how dumb they are especially when I show them screenshots or videos of me doing stuff that they say isn't possible or bug abuse.

[smilkovpetko]

don't forget to tell them that protection spec is not for noobs , and they all should roll holy.

otherwise you have to face with their math and theory.

[Ihealwpvp]

"I've answered it multiple times you moron - guild leaders do it because it's the easiest thing for them to do and min/max try hards like you want things to be easy."

im glad you conceded that paladins are an inferior main tank choice. this was my one point from the begining. im glad you agree and understand finally that warriors are the intended and superior choice for main tank.
im glad you understand now that paladin tanking is an uphill road and sub-par/non-optimal


hopefully the above sentences will not lead to more of your ignorant conjecture

"otherwise you have to face with their math and theory"

it is much simpler than this, it is the game's basic design.

if paladins were superior as you have been claiming, people would use them more than warriors. since they are not used more than warriors. they are the inferior choice. tank paladins are not needed for any fight. otherwise horde would not be able to do said fight.

your experience, opinions and screen shot collection does not trump the global 10+ years consensus of raid/guild leaders worldwide or the games programming.

as allways. play what you want. but don't spout nonsense and say paladins are superior main tanks to warriors. they aren't.